Incompetence Inc.

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1. 

   Great article, one of your best so far… love the video too.

   Comment by Pox — 13 October, 2006 #
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   You must not watch the news huh? Shooting in Montreal, everywhere else. This is just a stupid generalization of an American hating idiot. Fact, Americans blow their news way out there, news here is like entertainment to the people who run the companies. This kind of crap happens in other countries, yet no one knows about it, unless of course our news companies report on it like its a new prime time show on the TV. Once people stop getting fame from doing crap like this, it will stop happening.

   Comment by Ryan — 13 October, 2006 #
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   a) if you had read the article you would know it has very little to do with America, no matter how juxtaposing the heading may be

   b) If you would like me to come up with statistics about gun crimes in the US compared to the rest of the world, then just ask… But we all know the results…

   Comment by junaman — 13 October, 2006 #
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   you are a fucking idiot first of all saying you are going to boycott the firearms industry is like saying you are going to boycott the drug industry. impossible. not going to happen. Also, making guns illegal simply takes them out of the hands of law abiding citizens while leaving the criminals with the power. If someone breaks in your house when your sleeping with a 9mm would you rather defend yourself with a kitchen knife or a 12 gauge? If you are a criminal and you have a gun (which will exist in any country, no matter what laws are passed) than you have way more control over a society with no guns than a society that can defend themselves. next time you get robbed, why not just offer to suck them off in the process.

   Comment by jeff — 13 October, 2006 #
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   My country has never had legalised firearms (except for professional purposes, which I do not support either) and the amount of firearms in my country is so low, that there are very very few gun-related crimes, I have never known, let alone seen, anyone except a policeman, who owns a gun…

   Of course we can’t control everything, that doesn’t mean we must legalise it. I mean, using that logic, murder is illegal, but it still happens, so that means we must legalise it right?

   Criminals in power huh? Are you not willing to acknowledge, that in a society, where guns are illegal and not sold everywhere, it would be much harder for a criminal to obtain a firearm?

   And in a situation with the criminal having the gun and the “law-abiding citizen” not, would you not think that the criminal has less chance of being provoked to shoot a defenceless person, rather than someone who is armed and poses a threat to their objective?

   Would a shoot-off between the criminal and the victim, where one or both people get critically injured or dies (regardless of who it is) be better than the criminal taking some jewellery and leaving?

   If you think so then there is no use in this conversation.

   Comment by junaman — 13 October, 2006 #
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   Outlaw guns, and there will be more murders by machete, forklift, rake, or whatever else you can think of. If you’re going to kill somebody, you’re going to do it no matter if you have a gun or not.

   Comment by barf — 13 October, 2006 #
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   Yes, it is easier with a gun… much harder with the aforementioned objects…

   But in crimes where the objective was not murder, a lot less accidental deaths will occur…

   Comment by junaman — 13 October, 2006 #
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   Great article, I agree and think it is a large problem that it’s so easy to aquire guns legally in some countries – especially the US. If it’s alright to manipulate the geneva convention and the US constitution to meet the governing body’s needs then why not solve the emerging crises of guns being “abused” at the same time and revoke the right of their people to shoot thy neighbours child in the face? Australia for example has stringent laws on who has acess to fire arms and, incidentally, far less or non existant school shootings. We prefer to hack people to death with machete’s in front of the salt night club. Luckily, the worst thing we have pulled away from American “culture” is for our youth to wear their pants hanging halfway down their arses. Regardless of whether or not there are myraid more ways to kill a man, guns just make it that little bit easier. Eliminate the tie – the opression must stop

   Comment by not telling — 13 October, 2006 #
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   You fail to acknowledge shootings in other areas. Just 2 weeks ago there was a shooting near my fathers work, due to somebody on drugs.

   There’s something wrong with the world, not just America.

   Comment by Person — 13 October, 2006 #
10. 

    As stated above, America has more gun crimes than any other nations, but regardless, this article had little to do with America… more the general issue of guns

    Comment by junaman — 13 October, 2006 #
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    A people who sacrifice freedom for safety deserve neither.

    Comment by lil willy from philly — 13 October, 2006 #
12. 

    What about a mans freedom to roam the streets knowing he is reletivly safe from gunfire?

    Comment by not telling — 13 October, 2006 #
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    Freedom is not earning a gun, a “tool” which has no use other than to hurt… How is that freedom? There is nothing you can do with a gun that is legal…

    Comment by junaman — 13 October, 2006 #
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    “There is nothing you can do with a gun that is legal…”

    That’s not strictly true, is it?

    Comment by Pete — 14 October, 2006 #
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    Examples?

    I mean hunting, which I strongly oppose… Almost everything else can be done with a non-fatal alternative…

    Comment by junaman — 14 October, 2006 #
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    You’ll notice that schools are places where guns are not allowed — yet shootings seem to occur more often there than elsewhere. Have you ever heard of a shooting at a gun show?

    Read this. It is an example of students using guns to succesfully stop a gunman. However, most media sources intentionally left out the fact that the two heroes used their guns to stop the shooting.
    http://www.gunowners.org/sk0302.htm

    My point is that just because you don’t hear about all the cases where people use guns to defend themselves and others, you’re assuming they don’t exist.

    Comment by Asokoloski — 14 October, 2006 #

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    @Asokoloski

    That is the worst logic I’ve seen in this thread.
    If guns aren’t allowed in schools, doesn’t mean they are not available freely in the American society, where one can just buy one on the streets and walk into a school, and shoot people.

    In the case of the gun show of course you wouldn’t shoot anything if your freedom is completely repressed and you are completely censored. Nobody went around committing crime in fascist Germany because the would get killed for it…

    Wow, one case just completely proves guns are safe.
    Would it not be better if the criminal had a harder time of finding a gun (ie. where guns aren’t available on every street corner)…

    Comment by junaman — 14 October, 2006 #
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    you are just a radical left wing elitist who think your trying to help america by taking away all of our constitional right, but in fact you are the one hurting america and frankly you make me sick

    Comment by James Roberts — 14 October, 2006 #
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    Yes, great arguments indeed….

    Comment by junaman — 14 October, 2006 #
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    Ooooh, I’m going to make a movie about a forklift massacre.

    Comment by Pox — 14 October, 2006 #

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    and dumbfuck americans with their dumb Zs and lack of Us… I say.

    I am HONOURABLE and I hope you REALISE that america is a complete shithole of a SANITISED SSUSUSUSSSSOUS.

    Comment by Pommé — 14 October, 2006 #
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    Id personally rather not have a 12 gauge when a burgular with a 9mm breaks into my house…

    Id rather simply not be home and have spent the money on a security system…
    Or not be home and have spent the money on an insurance policy that will pay for all my lost possessions….
    Or if I am home Id rather hide or jump out of a window because Id rather not end up shot!

    And as a moral person Id rather not shoot anyone else. Burgalar or not theyre still human!
    And If {like you dumb fucks} I had a big gun that made me so much more of a man and I decided to use it I would regret it later and wish that guns hadnt existed!

    All you guys defending your right to own {AND USE WTF?????}guns obviously havent been the victims of a gun crime because then you would see how bad they are!

    Comment by shrinkley — 14 October, 2006 #
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    James Roberts
    That doesnt make sense!
    “you are just a radical left wing elitist who think your trying to help america by taking away all of our constitional right, but in fact you are the one hurting america and frankly you make me sick”
    It occured to me right after reading you little staement here that you have no idea! Do you realise that your beloved Bush is currently legislating away your constitutional rights. He is slowly erroding your rights to have that great freedom that you all seem to love!
    Junaman makes the point that Bush has been successful in making a smokescreen to do with guns by stating that the opposition is trying to destroy your constitutional rights to do with your guns!
    Junaman please wont you explain this better as Im just not that great with expressing these things to people who are proving your point!

    Comment by shrinkley — 14 October, 2006 #
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    Wait, am I to assume that in America you can just BUY guns? HANDGUNS? MILITARY STYLE weapons? WTF YOU THINK YOU HAVE SHOOTINGS!?!?!?! In my country there is strict regulations that allow only few people to own guns, with licenses and permits, you cannot go to a store and simply BUY one! Fuck! i got news for you, these shootings will keep happening, as well as gun related crimes, so long as you sell them like grocerys at the store

    Comment by guess — 14 October, 2006 #
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    Yes because we all know that George Bush is the one taking away our freedoms, because lyndon Johnson and JFK never took away civil liberties, and can one of you please explain to me exactly what constitutional rights President Bush has taken away from the American public. oh yeah and for all of you that think america is a hell hole or any other terrible thing you want to call it, can you name one country that is better?

    Comment by James Roberts — 15 October, 2006 #
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    I could name several, but it all depends on how you score it. both Canada and New Zealand are much better places to live, raise children in safety, live in a modern, peaceful relatively crime-free society at a sustainable population level with a high degree of indicidual freedom.

    how is the US better than either of these alternatives?

    Comment by Reg Spyder — 15 October, 2006 #
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    @James Roberts

    Constitutional right Bush took away:

    http://junaman.wordpress.com/2006/10/02/dont-avert-your-eyes/#comment-844

    and

    http://junaman.wordpress.com/2006/10/14/olbermann-owns-up-the-bill-of-rights/

    Yes, Bush is the only one taking away the constitutional rights that anyone cares about…

    Comment by junaman — 15 October, 2006 #
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    Your obviously subject to the extensive propaganda campaign being used to turn the american public against all the former presidents and specifically, blame clinton for everything. As for freedoms being taken away, your phones are being tapped, you’re legalising torture, the right to view whatever site you please on the web is being violated and you detain people without charge. Regardless of whether or not they have done wrong, they deserve a fair and impartial trial. Finally, as for a better country, you just have’nt looked. Australia, Canada, most of Europe, Mother Russia, hell, even New Zealand.

    Comment by not telling — 15 October, 2006 #
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    While I realize a large part of the world may look at America as barbaric or backwards due to our liberal gun laws, I find the suggestion that guns should be only in the hands of the privileged few to be naive and, frankly, frightening. When it comes to political beliefs, I’m very liberal, but even I believe in the right of private citizens to own firearms.

    While it is easy for you to claim that guns are meant only to hurt or harm other living creatures, you are ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of gun owners have weapons for recreational purposes. I was anti-gun myself until I went out shooting with a friend of mine. It made me realize that, much like many other so-called “dangerous activities”, shooting is a hobby that can be not only fun, but extremely competitive and rewarding when conducted safely and maturely at a firing range.

    In addition to this, one of the most important reasons that firearms are still legal in the United States, unlike in most of the world, is that America is a country that has experienced a necessary revolution in it’s recent history. Escaping the yolk of British imperial control taught the United States that a well armed populace is sometimes necessary to ensure the safety and wellbeing of the public at large. If a president, or any other political figure for that matter, were to try to make a power grab along dictatorial lines, I’d sure as hell rather be in the country where I can, if necessary, fight back and defend myself than in a country where the only weapon I have is a knife or similar tool.

    Comment by ThatCAGuy — 15 October, 2006 #
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    You don’t have to have fun with a fatal weapon… get a paintball gun for all I care, and have fun with that…

    Recreational purposes my arse…
    Fun is not a justifiable excuse for killing things

    I mean, rape can be fun and “recreational” to many people… does that mean it should be legal?

    A more real analogy involves driving over the speed limit… this is fun, which does not make it safe nor legal.
    Btw, many countries have had revolutions and have scrupulous gun control… don’t think that you’re special

    Comment by junaman — 15 October, 2006 #
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    They shouldn’t have gun control, they should have bullet control. Make bullets worth $5000 for a single shot. That way, even if there are guns, there would be less shootings, ’cause BULLETS ARE SO FREAKIN’ EXPENSIVE.

    Comment by UnknownMan — 15 October, 2006 #
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    Hmm… a life is worth $5000, great idea

    Comment by junaman — 15 October, 2006 #
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    Honestly – form a “National Guard” – which you have, or a “Home Guard” unit controlled by the State to protect you from an invasion. Here people can be trained to effectively fight a defensive war, unlike the neighbourhood gunowner who will die after less than 5 minutes in combat because he does not have the necessary training to survive.

    Also, handguns are relatively useless in a war, as the effective range is only about 25m.

    +++ There is a lot of data suggesting guns hurt the wrong people – not the burglars or armed assilants or even the boogyman.

    Comment by el duderino — 15 October, 2006 #
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    By wrong people, I mean family members, children who play etc. The other guys probably don’t deserve death or severe injury for their hypothetical crimes.

    Comment by el duderino — 15 October, 2006 #
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    El duderino is exactly correct…

    I mean how delusional must you be to think that guns will help you in an invasion… Obviously the army has bigger guns… they have missiles, probably nukes… they can bomb the crap out of you…
    what good will your pistol do?

    Comment by junaman — 15 October, 2006 #
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    Yes, guns DO kill people…they can kill good people, or more importantly, they can kill BAD people. They can kill the armed home invader who breaks into your home at 3 AM. They can kill the abusive husband, who likes to play punching bag with his wife’s face. And finally, they provide a safeguard for the American people against tyranny. Sure, nut jobs are on the loose everywhere you look, and some of them might even have guns…is that troubling? Why certainly. However, I feel a whole lot better sleeping at night with my loaded GLOCK 19 mere inches from my bed. By this writer’s logic, the bow and arrow should be outlawed. Does he realize the bow and arrow has been around since practically the dawn of man? The writer also fails to acknowledge that mass shootings happen in countries even where guns are “illegal” or difficult to own for the law abiding citizen? It sure is a comforting thought that whack jobs can get firearms in those countries and slaughter in large numbers ’cause none of the good guys have guns. Foolish. I hate stupid people, with stupid and flawed logic, who think they’ve really made a contribution to society with their arrogant and naive brand of thinking. It is almost shameful.

    Comment by ed — 15 October, 2006 #
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    idiocy at its finest. Leave it to a foriegner to make brash judgements about shit he doesn’t understand at all.

    in countries that have banned guns, the only people who don’t have guns are those who actually obey the law. The criminals can and will always get guns. They’re criminals because they don’t obey/respect the law, see?

    Since America isn’t a tiny island, and shares borders with 2 other big countries its a bit harder to try and control the flow of drugs, guns – even people trafficers.

    a ban on guns would make the US population defenseless in their homes against violent gun-toting criminals. As-is, the criminals have guns and so do the lawful people. Criminals have a choice – Risk death trying to burglarize that house, or leave it the eff alone. Is it worth the risk?

    in some states of the US, gun laws are tighter, and in some states they’re less-so. In the states where they are less-so, surprisingly – there is less crime. imagine that.

    What you’re talking about, in banning guns – is setting yourself up for ‘Absolute Government Control’.

    You brits are used to monarchies, apparently and must not have a problem with your government intruding in your lives, telling you how to live, invading your privacy, etc.

    In America – we value these things we call ‘our rights’. We will actually fight to protect them, legally, and god forbid if nesceessary – to the death.

    People shouldn’t fear their government. The government should fear its people. We (an armed population) are the only check against an American Dictator.

    Yeah, thats right. If you want to pave the road to America’s version of Hitler – gun bans is how it all starts. (Disarm the public = Weakening any presupposed resistance to whatever effed up mandates might follow.)

    …and while we’re on the subject, I like how you shine the spotlight on Americans….

    you fail in even mentioning the Russian guns held in the hands of Taliban who make up excuses to use them. Public executions on soccer fields, etc.

    So sure, single out Americans…. Neglect that school-shootings also happened in Canada. That some people are/were shot in Afghanastan for just TRYING to go to school.

    your opinionated ass doesn’t have the information enough to try and pass judgement.

    Learn more thenm come and talk. America has a population of how many compared to your country?

    higher populations means alot too. Ratios is everything. If 1 in 10 people is a psychopath, then yes – in a population of 30,000,000 there’d be a few more when compared to a state or nation of 3,000,000 see? yet the ratio remains the same.

    Can you keep psychopaths from killing over there without them having guns?

    No. They kill with knives, clubs, home-made bombs.

    I hate when foriegners (especially brits) talk shit about the US.

    you’re last internal conflict was more recent then ours you daft bastards. IRA anyone? And why were you fighting each other??

    yeah… because you’re so high up on the ladder of ‘enlightenment’… I forget.

    from the sounds of it. I’d say you’re 3-5 rungs down. You’re still closer to a monarchy than a democracy you gits.

    Comment by Dave the American — 15 October, 2006 #
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    Without guns, people will just kill each other with some other means. So your low gun-related crime statistics are highly misleading. People in African countries butchering each other with machetes; they do not have guns, but does that stop them from killing each other?

    Or perhaps that is part of your definition of “freedom”; use a real “tool” like a knife or crowbar or hammer to kill someone, just do not use a gun.

    The only real “tool” here is you, junaman, for writing this drivel. You act like Americans are the only ones killing each other. They are not; they just do it more with guns. What if Country A had 60% of murders committed with guns and Country B had 10%; why does that even MATTER if Country B has a much higher murder rate than Country A? It DOES NOT; it is a meaningless statistic that you have used here to push your leftist agenda as an absolute truth.

    You claim that “Americans kill people” and not guns, yet in your posting you place the blame squarely on the weapon itself. You want a total removal of it, nevermind the fact that it is the actual person that initiates the killing. You take all of the responsibility from the person and give it to the inanimate object. In a perfect world, no one would need to defend themselves from those who wish to take their properties or their lives, but that is not the case, now is it?

    Comment by MajesticXII — 15 October, 2006 #
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    The US is not even in the top 10 countries of the world with the highest murder rates.

    Apparently, having guns or not is quite IRRELEVANT when you want to kill someone; you just find some other means.

    You would think (and indeed, junaman would like you to) that America was the murder capital of the world by reading this tripe he posted. Much to his dismay, I am sure, it is not.

    Comment by MajesticXII — 15 October, 2006 #
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    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, who the hell are you to assume if anyone here is british?
    What relevance does the russians supplying the taliban with arms have? The US supplies Isreal with Nukes. If you want to stand up to the full force of the American military with a hand gun, be my guest – you’ve got no chance mate. Guns make it that much easier to kill someone, regardless of whether or not their stealing your sutff, it doesn’t matter. Taking a mans life is not worth it, thats not your right. As for the “right” to carry arms being a freedom, get a life, busy your self with real issues and stop whining that you no longer can go hunting to shoot polar bears and ducks – there are other things to do. Your not protecting yourself, your just endangering more lives and paving the way for crimes like those in your schools to be commited. Stop trying to confront the problem and start taking measures to prevent it – like disarming your mentally unstable kids.

    Comment by not telling — 16 October, 2006 #
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    Personally I think that gun’s just shouldn’t be so damned easily accessible to civilians. Also, I think a lot of these kids need some serious therapy. I was violently picked on all the way through public school, mercillesly teased and even avoided in high school, but you know what? I never ever had thought to pick up a gun and kill anyone. you know why?

    Cause I’m not crazy.

    These people that are shooting up school just because someone wouldn’t be their friend?

    They’re fucking crazy.

    American or Canadians with guns don’t kill people. Fucking crazy people with guns kill people. It’s as simple as that.

    Comment by Josh VanHalteren — 16 October, 2006 #
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    Can anybody tell me why our goverment is not seeing the terrism that is happening on our own soil? The gange wars that are rageing on our streets is being made possible in part by the freedom that we have to own as many guns as possible. Yet we are going after terrists in other parts of the world, at the same time turning a blind eye to the terrists running down our urban neiborhoods.

    Comment by Jeff — 16 October, 2006 #
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    I’m an Australian and as it has been mentioned, Australia has fairly controlled gun policies, and few private citizens own guns.

    Firstly, I believe someone wanted to know which countries were “better” than the US? According the the United Nation’s Human Development index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Human_Development_Index , the top three countries are 1) Norway, 2)Iceland, 3) Australia. Where does the US fall on this list you ask? TENTH! And the results are similar in other quantitative measurements of the standard of living.

    Don’t try and tell me that Americans value democratic freedom more than citizens of other countries. Australia began as a penal colony were British convicts were sent. Now we run our own democratic government, where our citizens enjoy just as many, if not more freedoms than Americans. We achieved this independency through non-violent negotiation, without guns, and we haven’t looked back.

    However, we are not the kind of people who will lay down and be run over by a foreign threat. In World War I we lost more than 1% of our population . We don’t condone, nor will we tolerate foreign or terrorist threats. However, we won’t whip out our handguns and blast away anything that moves, or anyone who “looks like a terrorist” (because most of us don’t own one.

    There has been a lot of bullshitting around, but no one has actually supported there arguments with some cold hard statistics. Allow me. Some tool was crapping on before that because America has a larger population than many countries, it will naturally have more gun related deaths. Thank you Captain Obvious. The real statistics that should be considered as gun deaths PER CAPITA (or per person, for those who may be unfamilar with the term)
    Gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994:
    US: 14.24
    Australia: 2.65
    Japan: 0.05
    For more details, please consult http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html

    Now someone also mentioned that just because guns deaths in countries that have stricter gun control laws may be lower, that does not mean that murder rates are lower. Again, I shall turn to statistics.
    Murders per 100,000 people in 1994:
    US: 42.8
    Australia: 15.0
    Japan: 4.9
    For more details, please consult http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

    This shows that gun-related deaths are more than 5 times higher in the US than Australia (per person) and more than 250 times higher in the US than Japan.
    I the US, murders are almost 3 times higher (per person) than Australia and almost 9 times than Japan.

    Note that I don’t believe Australia is perfect, and I use it consistantly in my examples because I have more knowledge on my own country than any other. However, I will definately alledge that Australia is a better place to live than America

    Comment by Aussie — 16 October, 2006 #
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    I like it how people from my own country see the word “red necks” and immediately start saying “America haters!!!”.

    This is why the world thinks us Americans are stupid. Loved your article!

    Comment by Ethan — 16 October, 2006 #
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    i really had a lot of fun reading some of you guys, telling guns are GOOD. isn’t what you are saying?? deadly weapons are good for the society, because they protect us from the bad people. it’s also good, that kids shoot themself because they find dad’s gun and want to play with it. the way i see things, if u want to hurt someone due to anger, you will regret it later, and if u use a gun, you will probably have killed him, regretting your act when you have cooled down.
    i’d like we don’t mention african countries here, cause they are facing ethics and religious confilcts .. which is not supposed to be the case in the us. right? there should be strict restriction to the possession of a gun, and one condition should be to spend a couple of hours in the emergencies of an hospital, helping to save people injured by guns.
    ps: the bad guy, breaking into your house to steal all your belongings, maybe he has no gun at all….

    Comment by brice the belgian — 16 October, 2006 #
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    the problem with all of you who love this article is that your all just part of the blame america first crowd. if it was up to you we would cut and run out of iraq qith our tail between our legs, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, kim jon il would be launching nukes at whoever he wants, and we’d all be living in a socialist state. you can look at any 2nd amendment supporter to see why guns should remain legal. ted nugent has literally hundreds of guns and he has never had one gun accident even with little children a his house. he uses them as tools to get food and thats it. you would never see ted nugent, charlton heston, or tom selleck running around killing people just because they have guns.

    Comment by James Roberts — 16 October, 2006 #
49. 

    Hi Yall

    Just a quick note from the bonnies (NZ is as far away in the world as you can get and still stay connected). Unfortunately to disagree with an earlier comment we still have people die here due to guns-although very few. Most shootings in NZ involve people that are known to the victim (like 99%) Which I believe may also be true in the US.

    A few people have mentioned drugs in their comments and I believe that there is a strong link between the two items – drugs and guns. It is probably safer for all involved if you legalize the drugs and ban handguns.

    I think it is also worth noting that there are two types of “gun”, the rifle and the handgun. Even including the military rifles and looking only at the US statistics, the stats show that overwhelmingly that it is the handguns that are used to kill people. Handguns are useless when defending yourself from the ravaging hordes so why not make a difference to the world and get rid of them.

    Handguns are like Nukes, you have them for safety and they turn you into a target.

    I hate to ruin a good discussion with some trivia but thought these were worth a look….

    FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.
    -A Kellerman, et al. Journal of Trauma, August 1998; Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. “The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries.” Annu.Rev Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40.)
    FACT: Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:
    In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:
    • 373 people in Germany
    • 151 people in Canada
    • 57 people in Australia
    • 19 people in Japan
    • 54 people in England and Wales, and
    • 11,789 people in the United States
    (*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only for HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which comprise and even greater number of gun deaths, or unintentional shootings).
    - Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

    Facts stolen from http://www.ichv.org/Statistics.htm

    Comment by Kiwi thinker — 16 October, 2006 #
50. 

    Going way back up the list there about burglary and shotguns… look at the logic there. Your planning on breaking into a house cause, who knows why people do that, lets just say he is hard up and needs the cash. Okay, in America, there is a fairly good chance that the home owner has a gun in the house, and if he hears your smashing around downstairs isn’t going to be ‘gosh, I think I can scare him off with my 12 gauge’, he is going to be rightfully scared and likely as not to shoot at anything that moves… hope to guy doesn’t have a dog! – So, if you’ve got a now scared guy with a gun, nobody in their right mind is going to attempt the robbery without the ubiquitous 9mm stuffed in his belt. Should the guy break in, no, of course not, but are you going to be safer because you’ve got the gun?!? – If this were Canada, firstly I don’t think you have to break in up there do you, don’t they just leave the doors open? – but the point is, the thief isn’t as likely to take a gun, less likely to use it if he does all because there is an extremely high chance that there isn’t a gun in the house… if there is, its almost a given that it isn’t stuffed under the pillow or next to the packet of condoms in the top draw.

    Comment by Its a culture thing — 16 October, 2006 #
51. 

    @James Roberts

    You’re exactly the type of red-neck, republican gung-ho, dumb-arse, gun-toting, arrogant, unintelligent idiot who gives all Americans a bad name.

    There’s no problem being a redneck (we call them bogans), or being republican, or being unintelligent, but when you combine all these attributes, you get the American stereotype. YOU. You’re the reason that citizens from almost every other country in the world hates your country. (Yes, even Canada). Despite the fact that most Americans are decent, nice people, the 10-20% or so of people who are like YOU, James Roberts, give the rest of your countryman a bad name. Your “America, Fuck Yeah!” attitude is disgusting and tiresome. (See Team America: World Police).

    Please explain exactly how that fact that many of your citizens hold guns has any bearing whatsoever on the war in Iraq or the conflict with North Korea? I can’t see any correlation. Only trained military personnel are in Iraq. Incidentally, the rate of friendly fire from American soldiers is ridculous. In Iraq, Americans soldiers seem to shoot at anything that moves, whether it be Iraqi soldies, defenseless Iraqi citizens (who often pose no threat), British soldiers, Canadian soldiers and even other American soldiers. If this is a result of having such loose gun control laws, here’s another reason they should be more restrictive. The incident in the follow news story would almost be comical, if we weren’t talking about the lives of FRIENDLY nations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2901515.stm

    You’re correct, I don’t support the conflict in Iraq, but for completely different reasons. I do believe that Sadaam Husein was evil and needed to be removed for all the atrocities he commited (incidentally, Sadaam was originally installed by the US government). The atrocities being commited by US, British, and I am ashamed to say, to a lesser extent, Australian troops in Iraq now far outweigh any benefit the war has provided to either Iraqi or American people.
    Furthermore, there are plently of other countries that are suffering under a cruel ditactor, many African countries for example, but does America rush to save them? No. Why? Because they don;t have any oil. Go figure.

    In regards to the North Korean nuclear arms situation, so far America hasn’t done shit there. (Because they don’t have oil.) Also, it doesn’t actually seem that North Korea currently possesses viable nuclear weapon technology. Their test firing of what was supposed to be a 5 kiloton warhead, was measured by South Korea as only about 3.84 on the Richter scale, indicating a yield of only about 0.5-0.8 kilotons, or a “fizzle”. However, should North Korea develop a feasible nuclear warhead and long range missile capability, I personally would have no problem ramming a few ICBMs or even a nuke down their throat. But I would want proper justification from my government, not just on a whim, as America seems to conduct its wars, with little hard evidence of anything.

    Comment by Aussie — 16 October, 2006 #
52. 

    Yeah,

    Get rid of the guns, people never killed people before guns came along.

    Comment by Maxwell — 16 October, 2006 #
53. 

    I agree that more strict laws have to be applied in the US for gun ownership. Almost every single citizen in the US owns a gun, and KG kids are killing each other at schools. That’s ridiculous. More laws please. Guns are not toys!

    Comment by drhaisook — 16 October, 2006 #
54. 

    Aussie –

    If you’re open to a genuine debate (instead of just a holier than thou monologue), try phrasing your posts with a little less sarcasm and venom. You’ll find your posts will still be legible AND we won’t have to wade through all your condescending crap.

    Comment by infringe — 16 October, 2006 #
55. 

    i say: guns are bad and dangerous and i become instantly an anti-american pro saddam hussein, figthing against your freedom???
    all it needs is more trust into strangers to get rid of these deathtoys. the reason you feel safer with a gun is only because you can’t trsut anyone? why is it so? i dunno, but what i know is that it needs open-minded people to break the circle of absurdity. stop saying nonsense, use your saved money to travel to europe, australia, etc, and see how is life there, you’ll notice people feel safe without holding a f*** gun.
    @dave: do you know how does a monarchy works?? maybe you were playing cowboy instead of listening to your teachers. you’ve the stupidest way of thinking i’ve ever seen in my life.
    china is the country with the highest population? acording to you, there should be a lot of crimes then… go check by urself first.

    Comment by brice — 16 October, 2006 #
56. 

    I apologise for being condescending, I find it difficult to believe some of the arguments that people are trying to put forward. However, I believe most of my argument was supported statistically, unlike most other arguments. Obviously, I’m open to genuine debate, and am more than happy to consider an alternate point-of-view as long as it seems to have some intelligent thought behind and is supported by facts.

    I do not hate Americans, just the few bad apples that spew forth propaganda with no personal insight or factual basis, and you can find these kinds of people in every country. I just believe America has a higher proportion of these people.

    Infringe – I hope you accept my apology, and I must point out – most posts have a good deal of sarcasm and/or venom, as all of us feel quite strongly about our point-of-view.

    Comment by Aussie — 16 October, 2006 #
57. 

    Yes, guns DO kill people…they can kill good people, or more importantly, they can kill BAD people.

    You see this logic is repugnant. No one deserves to die… Who is a “bad” person and who are you to say that he should die. I believe everyone has a right to life, and if we cannot agree on this basic thought then this is useless…

    Get rid of the guns, people never killed people before guns came along.

    The point is, it was harder. Guns cause a lot of accidental deaths that would not occur were they not there. Murderers will always be around, and be very difficult to stop, but why make it easier for them?

    Comment by junaman — 16 October, 2006 #
58. 

    Aussie, thanks for those comments, that is just about exactly how I feel… I know Australia isn’t perfect, but I feel a whole lot safer living here, than in gung-hoville.

    Comment by junaman — 16 October, 2006 #
59. 

    @ Dave, great assuming that I’m British, although I would prefer living in Britain than in you’re great land…

    @MaxwellXII

    I never stated anything about killings only happening in America. On the contrary, if you had read my article, you would notice that it’s not about America (except in the part I obviously point out as being sarcastic, satirical and using hyperbole)… It’s about guns…

    Also if you could get me some real data and not just hypothesis, that would help your point…

    Comment by junaman — 16 October, 2006 #
60. 

    Are you American Hicks nuts?

    Having guns around can only ever increase the amount of crimes committed with them. Thats basic logic…
    And using individual states of America with less guns as examples by showing that their crime rates are higher is bullshit! Obviously the crims can bring their neccessary guns across borders to use them, however that wouldnt happen if everywhere had tight gun laws.

    Shooting as a sport is indeed genuinely a brilliantly fun hobby! This is however irrelevant when you are talking about guns that are in the hands of criminals and people who only own them for “protection”. In Aus we have professional shooting clubs too! Only the weapons are very restricted and most of the guns are kept in lockers at the clubs{not at peoples homes} Guns can still be used for sport without having them on the street and under every second persons pillow! This argument is simply incohesive!

    And seriously guys do some research before commenting on how you love those great big guns of yours! emotional appeals simply dont work when youre arguing with people who openly disagree with you…you need some cold hard facts to support your ideas!

    Comment by shrinkley — 16 October, 2006 #
61. 

    posted this somewhere else and I didn’t wanna rewrite it: Hmm… let’s see. I foyu had bothered to read the first part of this post (up to the nice little html tag, which prompted you when I stopped using “infallible” “neo-con” “logic”…) you would have notices that it is satire (oyu know that thing, where I pretend to be like you to totally like prove that you’re like retarded and stuff…) saying that according to this logic, Americans kill people…

    Regardless of the juxtaposing headline, this article has very little to do with Americans (you’re not that special)… It is about guns… which I see as a problem everywhere, although America’s problem is especially highlighted because this “right” is written into your rights book… Among developed nations (which you’re contempt to be labelled as) you have the biggest gun problem, and most deaths per capita, hence American being my main target… obviously I can’t influence rogue nations much, because that would require America to bomb them up a bit.

    “WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HAVING THE RIGHT TO PREVENT YOUR SELF FROM GETTING HURT.”

    My main point being that, they don’t prevent you from getting hurt…

    Let us look at two hypothetical situations…

    1. A burglar breaks into a house with a gun. He finds that there is a person in the house, with a gun. The law abiding citizen reaches for his gun, and the robber in panic shoots him. One person is dead.

    2. A robber breaks into a house with a gun. He finds that there is a person in the house, without a gun. He points the gun the law abiding citizen, who keeps quiet while he is robbed, and the robber leaves. No one is dead, let alone hurt…

    “As long as there is “hate”, “anger”, and the urge to enforce ones will upon another. They will find a way to kill, indoctrinate, and torture no matter what the “guidelines”"

    But why must we make it all the more easier for them. I do state in the article that people kill people. There are crazy people, who want to murder someone, and it would be hard to stop them with or without a gun (even if both are armed). However, eliminating guns would stop many accidental, spontaneous deaths…

    “protected himself from intruders,protected someone else from being attacked”

    So some of the people who have said this honestly believe that it would be alright to kill someone? So the robber deserves to die in your eyes?
    If we cannot agree on the basic belief of right to life, then this argument is useless…

    Also please withhold from stating that handguns will protect you from an invasion… Maybe 300 years ago possibly (as written in the constitution), but the army has much bigger guns, bombs, missiles and nukes… Lets use your 9mm to wade that off…

    Comment by junaman — 16 October, 2006 #
62. 

    I live in Tasmania, Australia. The site of one of the worlds worst shooting rampages where 35 people were killed. I kinda find it hard to imagine a stabbing rampage where 35 people were killed. Or a “beating people over the head with a frypan” rampage.

    Comment by Martin — 16 October, 2006 #
63. 

    Living in a northwest suburb of Houston, I rely on the relative safety of my neighborhood. (Except for the man on our street charged with having sex with a 14-year old, but that’s beside the point.)

    Schools seem to be havens, streets are quiet, homes and businesses are grafitti-free.

    Yet, a number of people in this area feel the need to conceal/carry/own firearms.

    I don’t know why. Maybe they watch too much American television and they run on fear for fairly much of their day.

    Comment by Rebecca Aguilar — 17 October, 2006 #
64. 

    Actually the gun does kill, but it needs a finger to sqeeze the trigger, so, in the end, your point is correct.
    It is a shame that man allways tends to exterminate one and another.

    But isen’t the general question really ‘Why do they need guns?’. I allways find it fascinating that one can believe that a gun can brings safety, but I can’t grasp the idea.

    Comment by An Lun — 17 October, 2006 #
65. 

    Men need guns to compensate for their inadequate manhoods.
    America has the highest proportion of gun owners.
    You do the math.

    Comment by Non American — 17 October, 2006 #
66. 

    Junaman, this is the second time I have come to your blog only to find another hate message aimed toward americana. I am sick of your bigotry and hate.Anyone who classifies any people of any race as the same is just showing their ignorance.

    I will not return to read any more of your HATE messages.

    Comment by axewielderx — 17 October, 2006 #
67. 

    Look you “fucking moron” from another “fucking moron” people that ise firearms to kill other people fall into two maybe three basic categories.

    1. Self defenders

    2. Accidental/unintentional

    3. Criminals

    The sub catregories by your definitions would then be

    a. Men

    b. Women

    After which would be nationality.

    Now having said all that you “fucking moron”, have you taken the time to read the historical facts that removing private ownership of guns in nations has led to an increase in violence and crimes commited with guns. Odd ain’t it that criminals take advantage of the situation? Have you read that countries such as Switzerland that by law require every house to own a firearm the murder rate and crime in general is low?

    Here let me make it easy for you “fucking Moron”. No you have not. Get your facts straight because your logic is flawed. Then again that is what I would expect from a FUCKING MORON like you.

    Comment by Gun toten Male — 17 October, 2006 #
68. 

    This is funny, I cant believe people are even getting riled up over the gun control thing anymore. Hasn’t everybody yet figured out that irregarless of Americans right to bear arms NOBODY is going to lift a trigger finger against the government here? Get real, put down your weapons and step away from the idea that “a well ordered militia” is ever going to arise to depose some tyrant in this country.You fools, fascism is paraded down american streets daily wrapped in red, white and blue-and people cheer; the same way the world cheers on globalized socialism. Get over it, this is the 21st century-the Brave New World done been in effect, your late pass is no longer valid. Resistance against the forces of civilization is futile, stop being barbaric and turn over your weapons to the nice men in power so we can all get along so well like the rest of the world.

    Comment by gurzilla — 17 October, 2006 #
69. 

    i just happen to find it ammusing that all of you left wing radicals always get all angry and use personal attacks and spin everything to make it look yike your always right even without any cold hard facts

    Comment by James Roberts — 17 October, 2006 #
70. 

    more children die hanging themselves from the cords uses to open blinds and drapes.

    More people die because doctors fucked up.

    If the jews had guns they might have had a chance, this only happened 60 years ago. 60 fuckin years ago there are still many poeple still around from that time, to say there wont be another person like hitler is fucking retarded.

    Comment by Nick — 17 October, 2006 #
71. 

    ” just happen to find it ammusing that all of you left wing radicals always get all angry and use personal attacks and spin everything to make it look yike your always right even without any cold hard facts”

    Personal attacks? Where??

    Unlike you coming out and assuming that I’m British (i’m not) and using that against me…

    Comment by junaman — 17 October, 2006 #
72. 

    “to say there wont be another person like hitler is fucking retarded.”

    Indeed Nick…To say another person like hitler will not happen is fucking retarded! I mean theres already this one country which is currently undergoing a similar transformation into totalitarianism like Germanies! Freedom of speech is disdappearing like it did in Germany by a leader who has a serious majority in parliament and who got into power{like hitler} by fucking the elections!
    The leader of the country is now able to detain anyone by saying that they are a threat to national security {very vague that!}He can then have them tortured in secret jails and then have them sentenced to death!
    He has his own secret police…The cia who is being given increased powers so that they can do his dirty work. They run his secret prisons like Hitlers did!
    This is might be a bit farfetched but hitler had the parliament burnt down to enrage and scare his population and I reckon Bush might have done the same with S/11!
    Naturally this country is America! Its all set up for some bastard to come on in and make himself the fuhrer!
    All the while youre all too busy hiding behind your guns claiming that they can protect you if this happens…The problem with that logic is that dictators come in with the PUBLICS SUPPORT! Guns wont help you if your blinded by a propaganda campaign that has all your guns aimed on a false enemy!

    Comment by shrinkley — 17 October, 2006 #
73. 

    excellent point

    Comment by not telling — 17 October, 2006 #
74. 

    I hope you get cancer

    Comment by Bill — 17 October, 2006 #
75. 

    @ Gun toten male (from http://www.nra.org) if you had read any of the other comments, you would realise that the heading, as well as the first part, is satire… this article has little to do with Americans… it is about guns. You just have a lot of them.

    Out of your 3 categories:

    1. Self defenders

    2. Accidental/unintentional

    3. Criminals

    No.s 1 and 2 would be eliminated if we banned guns…

    Comment by junaman — 17 October, 2006 #
76. 

    @Bill

    Don’t you think AIDS is much more likely for a faggot, like myself… Bareback orgies every night with gay male prostitutes is bound to get me infected soon…

    Comment by junaman — 17 October, 2006 #
77. 

    first of all i never said you were british thats just spin.

    second, there are several personal attacks aimed straight at me by your boy aussie.

    personal attack number 1: calling me a redneck to make me look ignorrant and to dehumanize me, first i live in southern california where i’m pretty sure most rednecks don’t live, second my house doesn’t have wheels and my dads not my grandpa and my sisters nto my mom.

    personal attack number 2: assuming i’m uninteligent just because my opinion differs from yours.

    personal attack number 3: assuming that i’m some “radical gun- toting republican”. i don’t even own any guns, i just think that if a person wants to owna firearm then its thier god given right to do so.

    and just for the record i would say that all countries hate america, because i’m sure israel would have something to say about that, that too is just left wing spin

    junaman you sir a just a pinhead for not seeing these and realizing that you were in fact wrong

    Comment by James Roberts — 18 October, 2006 #
78. 

    It amuses me to see how many of you’re own you will allow to die for you so-called ‘Freedoms’. I think a lot more of you Yanks should try reading international news and not just the Fox Network

    Comment by JuAndCats — 18 October, 2006 #
79. 

    you are just a radical left wing elitist who think your trying to help america by taking away all of our constitional right, but in fact you are the one hurting america and frankly you make me sick

    This is your first post James Roberts…

    No arguments, just all attacks…

    Comment by junaman — 18 October, 2006 #
80. 

    that isn’t an attack, i was simply stating the truth.

    and you still have no reponse to the attacks made towards myself, so i guess you are afraid to admit defeat.

    Comment by James Roberts — 18 October, 2006 #
81. 

    Umm… that post wasn’t truth, this was opinion (often confused, so I’ll forgive you)
    calling me a radical elitist is an attack…

    “junaman you sir a just a pinhead”

    This isn’t nice either…

    Alas, I cannot justify the attacks made against you, as they were not made by me…

    I am sorry that I stated that you called me British… that was someone else and I apologise for misquoting you

    Comment by junaman — 18 October, 2006 #
82. 

    I find it interesting that while trying to have a conversation about firearms so many people want to turn it personal. THis is a great tatic for obscuring the truth. The WORLD would be a safer place with out handguns. and yes I am prepared to accept that the world would be a safer place without cars, nukes and cancer but hey thats not the point of this debate. America is a great country, made up of wonderful people, just like every other country. But unfortuantly there are a few people in every country that just cant accept that obvious change for the better, is necessary. I just hope that those people dont have to share the experience of losing a loved one to a handgun. But accepting the reality of the argument that they are more likley to own a handgun themselves well, the stats kinda speak for themselvs.

    Also a note about switzerland they have compulsery military training there, its part of their effort to remain a neutral country in todays modern world. If every gun owner went through military training you are right, the world would be a different place. As well as gun ownership is this something you are advocating?

    Handguns are like Nukes, you have them for safety and they turn you into a target.

    Comment by Kiwi thinker — 18 October, 2006 #
83. 

    junman did I see that one of your commentors was from the NRA? Although personally I disagree with what the NRA are trying to do is it fair to use information that is not supposed to be published to discredit their arguments. I personally think that their arguments fall down on their own and they dont need the help, but hey its your blog.

    Comment by Kiwi thinker — 18 October, 2006 #
84. 

    @ Kiwi thinker

    I doubt it… you can put anything in the URL tag…

    Plus this info, unlike their email is publicly available, so I don’t think it matters. Also it wasn’t really used to discredit him… :p

    Comment by junaman — 18 October, 2006 #
85. 

    James Roberts,
    Firstly, I have no affiliation whatsoever with junaman, we’ve never met before, it just seems that our views coincide. Whether you are a redneck or not is really irrelevant. The point is your arguments are not particularly cohesive, and seem to be nothing more than republican proaganda, with no factual support, which is exceptionally ironic given you post, and I quote:

    “just happen to find it ammusing that all of you left wing radicals always get all angry and use personal attacks and spin everything to make it look yike your always right even without any cold hard facts”

    If you’ll read back over my posts, you’ll notice that almost every one of them has statistics which clearly support my case, along with links to these statistics. Looking back over yours, all one sees is an opinion with no basis in fact, which is not even particularly consistent, hence my contention that you are unintelligent.

    Also, I have actually read your blog, and you demonstrate how narrow-minded you are, particularly in the section “THINGS James HATES”, were you illustrate how you hate all democrats and gay people. Anyone who hates a group of people for no reason obviously has a few screws loose. Now, you’re going to acuse me of hating Americans. I don’t hate any of them, and I know of lot of lovly American but I do dislike those who have a negative impact on the world, people like you, whose arguments are illogical and unsupported.
    I’ve met Republicans who have been articulate, informed and can base their arguments on facts, and I respect these people’s arguments. However, I don’t respect people who just spew forth political propaganda, with no personal insight.

    Incidentally, I actually vote for the Australian Liberal Party which is the Australian equivalent of the Republican Party, so I don’t know where you get “left-wing radical” from.

    Comment by Aussie — 18 October, 2006 #
86. 

    Well that didn’t quite work. It was supposed to say “Also, I have actually read your blog, …” with a link to James Roberts’ blog. Oh well.

    Comment by Aussie — 18 October, 2006 #
87. 

    One more thing James, do you realise that the Colbert Report is satire… and that Colbert is a liberal Democrat elitist pussy like the ones you seem to hate on your blog?

    Comment by junaman — 18 October, 2006 #
88. 

    oh… and Colbert is funny

    Comment by junaman — 18 October, 2006 #
89. 

    okay aussie your just manipulating things again, yes it says i hate democrats, but it only says i hate gay republicans, you just spun it out to make it seem like i’m some redneck homophobe.

    Comment by James Roberts — 19 October, 2006 #
90. 

    G’Day all,

    James, you actually said “I hate Gay Republicans more than regular gay people”, which strongly implies that you hate ‘regular’ gay people as well, albeit not as much as “Gay Republicans”.

    Comment by Aussie — 19 October, 2006 #
91. 

    Incidentally, I actually vote for the Australian Liberal Party which is the Australian equivalent of the Republican Party, so I don’t know where you get “left-wing radical” from.

    May I ask why? Apart from the fact that the ALP is a joke of a party…

    Comment by junaman — 19 October, 2006 #
92. 

    Yeah, I know it does seem a bit paradoxical, I was wondering how long it would take until someone asked me that question. Like you said ALP is a bloody joke, and I disagree with many of the Greens’ policies. I guess the main reason is just kind of a “the devil you know” policy. I think John Howard’s done a fairly reasonable job given the circumstances, I don’t agree with everything he’s done, but there’s no doubt he honestly believes in what he says he does.

    Also, I don’t know what state you live in, but I live in NSW, and the Labor government here makes me want to puke. There is not one category of infrastructure be it roads, rail, buses, electricity, water etc that I believe is up to scratch. I don’t know what the hell they spend our money on, but it ain’t anything useful.

    In case you were wondering, I’m an 18 year old 1st Year Chemical Engineering student at Uni of Sydney.

    Comment by Aussie — 20 October, 2006 #
93. 

    And no I haven’t actually voted before, but at the current time, I would vote Liberal

    Comment by Aussie — 20 October, 2006 #
94. 

    Aussie,

    I believe that your “kind of a -the devil you know- policy” is one of the reasons behind the fact that our country is going down the shitter.
    You say that Howard has done “a fairly reasonable job given the circumstances”. May I ask what circumstances? Are you referring to the incredible decade of economic growth we have experience since he has been in power, in which the coalition government has managed to strip away a handful of our civil and workers’ rights, leave one of its citizens to rot in Guantanamo, suck up to US, invade Iraq, suck up to the US and screw up a handful of other things?
    I believe if too many people take your stance, then Howard’s government will just get even stronger than it already is, and be able to pass more and more outrageous laws.
    And sorry Junaman, but I believe that people of Australia are NOT smart enough to wake up to any of this. I mean in a country where so many people watch ‘ACA’ and ‘Today Tonight’… And I believe we are also the second fattest country in the world.
    Looking forward to someone ripping my contention to shreds

    Comment by Genius in France — 24 October, 2006 #
95. 

    Oh yeah; I forgot to ask Aussie if he had heard of the democrats. And also to think about whether it is better to vote Liberal, or vote Labor (at least in the senate) and retain a little more balance of power.

    Comment by Genius in France — 24 October, 2006 #
96. 

    The only way that peoples problems will be solved is if everybody becomes religious.

    Comment by God — 24 October, 2006 #
97. 

    Not just religious, God, but spiritually respectful and connected to others.

    It is harmful to humanity that there are too many guns and not enough love.

    Comment by Rebecca Aguilar — 24 October, 2006 #
98. 

    would you like some avacodos. no wait. you can’t, you know why because your a communist!!!

    Comment by a la manana — 28 October, 2006 #
99. 

    the men and the guns in our milatary keeps this country free and its in our constitution that we have the right to bare arms so i say guns dont kill people we do.

    Comment by dan the man — 28 October, 2006 #
100. 

     Avocados versus Communism, a la manana? Not understanding why one can’t exist alongside the other.

     Not certain YOU can explain it either!

     Comment by Rebecca Aguilar — 28 October, 2006 #
101. 

     you can do other things with guns besides killing people.

     Comment by bob — 31 October, 2006 #
102. 

     Thank you for teaching me something in social studies.

     Comment by paris — 2 November, 2006 #
103. 

     Ok I guess I will get in on this coversation even though the flaming will probably leave me in a pile of ashes. First I will say it I am an American, I am a Republican, and I am a gun-owner. Severals guns as a matter of fact. I respect everyones opinion even the people who will probably bash me. any person who is argueing for gun ownership and are using prsonal attacks are hurting more than helping. I know it pisses you off it does me too, but that doesnt excuse it. Before I flood this post with facts I will say this, most people will not change their opinions no matter how powerful the evidence to the contrary, so dont get so upset if they call you crazy.
     First you have to consider this we live in different parts of the world (I do understand that their are americans who support gun-control, but its the same deal different regions) and have differnt ideas on how things sgould work. Now I cant speak for the other countries because Ive never been outside of the U.S. but I cant speak for people in my general region. A place full of “rednecks” as so many have put it. (I would like to point out that if you use the word redneck, you are no better than them calling someone a fag, or any other slur) America is a young country when compared to most in the world, and we think our rights specifically the 2nd amendment are the most important issues, and we are willing to die for them. Some would call that radical but in our eyes we are right, the same way radical muslims think they are right. Its not a matter of right and wrong. Its a matter of your experiences in life that molds wha you believe. I would guess ( i said guess i dont really know) but most people who oppose gun ownership have not had much exposure to firearms besides what they see on tv. Here is something tot hink about if you lived in a region were gun ownership was very common would your beleifs be different. If I lived in a city or a country were guns are illegal I cant honestly say I wouldnt be syaing guns are evil right now. I know this statement is kinda all over the place but I’m trying to finish before I go to work lol. What it comes down to is people are just different and their beleifs are different, that doesnt make them evil or stupid it just makes them, different.
     Now I will admit flaws about guns one being this, guns are a power trip. Anybody who owns a gun and says otherwise is lieing. You hold the power of life and death in your hands. But most people can control this, some cant and thats a shame. Thats the same with anything in life.
     Now to get to some points that I Believe they arent fact just opinion. First being this women lean tword gun-control more than men (yes i know ladies are out their with guns and we love you for it). Their is someone who said earlier that if you killed someone you would regret it and they are right. Most gun owners do NOT want to use their guns I know I dont. Anyways back to my point, I am a male so rape isnt really that much of a problem for me, unless i go to prison, if so pray for me lol. But I kinda of understand how horrible rape must be I really cant think of anything more aweful. If any woman can honestly tell me that if someone was raping you and their was access to a gun you wouldnt use it and that you would feel bad about later please say so and I will concede. I dont think I would. I know this is just one example of why I think self defence is justified sometimes in my opinion. Their are many more, people keep mentioning a robber with a gun and how if you have no guns they could be less likely to shoot. Ok I understan your point and you are right to some extent. The question is are you willing to take that chance with your life, with your childrens. Their are plenty of robberies were the criminal just shot the person so their would be no witnesses. My logic is this if you are willing to take that chance then thats fine, its your decision. You are a braver person than I. Me I am not willing to take that chance, if its between me and him or him and my family, hes dead. Im sorry if its barbaric to you but its that simple to me. I would also bet if some of you who are knocking gun ownership were put in a situation like that you might act very different than you think you would. Its embedded in our sub-concious, you animal instincts would kick in and you would kill. We all want to survive.
     Ok to something else someone said everyone has the right to life, I agree yes they do. But I believe some people can forfit their right by their actions. Some examples through history Hitler, Stalin, Nero, Manson, Osama, rapists, murderers, child molesters, and many many many more. Alot of those were famous people but their are alot of ordinary people who have done horrible things. I believe these people forfit their right to life. Their are people in this world who deserve to die.
     Ok on to a solution cause I am getting tired or typing lol. I believe we do have a problem with guns specifically with accidental shootings. But I dont think they way to fix that is with gun bans. It would be better fixed with gun education, cause they arent going anywhere anytime soon. I will try to back it up with some numbers later on down the post. People who are educated about guns are far less likely to have accidents. It comes down to respect, you respect a gun the same way you would a wild animal, if you arent careful it can kill you. The state prvides it almost free of charge through hunter safety courses (you dont have to hunt). There are also gun safety schools all over the United States. I know this will cause an uproar but I believe gun safety should be implemented in public schools, you start young and they will respect guns later in life. These course dont teach dirty harry stuff either, they teach children never to touch a firearm with adults around, and if they see a gun to go inform an adult. If you hide guns from children it sparks their intrest, you know how it goes, if you tell them not to touch something thats the first thing they will do when your not looking and thats how accidents happen. But if the child knows what it is sees it feels it repects it, thats it they wont think about it again and if they do at least they will have some basic safety. I really believe this would drasticly reduce gun accidents with children and adults if they attend with their children.
     Ok these were just some of my points but there are so many more but not enough time to write them all down. Someone earlier said they were hearing why people believe in gun ownership but not explaining the logic behind it, well i tried mt best to do that. I also tried to offer an example of a possible solution. Its this simple folks guns arent going anywhere in America for a long time and I want solutions that will help now not later. Ok time for some numbers.
     (I also want to add whoever put the gun facts up from the Brady Center, I respect that they actually support their views with numbers, but the brady center is one of the biggest anti gun org in the nation i dont know how much credit you can lend to their stats)

     When citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons:

     Murder Rates Drop 8%
     Rape Rates Drop 5%
     Aggravated Assaults drop 7%

     (Florida Dept Of Justice 1998)

     States that disallow concealed carry have violent crime rates higher than the national average.

     Types Of Crimes Higher in Restrictive States:

     Robbery 105%
     Murder 86%
     Assault 82%
     Rape 25%
     Auto-theft 60%

     School shooting death rates drop dramatically after right-to-carry was implemented. From 1977 the dath rate dropped 91% and injuries dropped 80%.

     (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 2004)

     This is funny lol.

     In Florida who has had right-to-carry since 1987, you are twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator than a person with a concealed carry permit.

     (Florida Dept Of State)

     Canada

     More than 20,000 Canadian gun-owners have publicly refused to register their firearms.
     Many others are silently ignoring the law.
     • The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the
     administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws right back into Ottawa’s
     lap, throwing the Canadian government into a paper civil war.

     And all at a cost more than 1,646% times the original projected cost49 (the original cost was
     estimated at 5% of all police expenditures in Canada50). “The gun registry as it sits right now
     is causing law abiding citizens to register their guns but it does nothing to take one illegal gun
     off the street or to increase any type of penalty for anybody that violates any part of the
     legislation,” according to Al Koenig, President, Calgary Police Association. “We have anongoing gun crisis, including firearms-related homicides lately in Toronto, and a law
     registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them”,
     according to Toronto police Chief Julian Fantino .

     (Associated Press, 2002)

     Though
     the number of
     firearms owned
     by private
     citizens has been
     increasing
     steadily since
     1970, the overall
     rate of
     homicides and
     suicides has not
     risen
     (Fbi Uniform Crime Report)

     0% of kids that get guns from their parents commit gun-related crimes while 21% of those
     that get them illegally do.

     (U.S. Justice Department)

     In the 1950’s, kids routinely played cops and robbers, had toy guns, were given BB rifles
     and small caliber hunting rifles before puberty. Yet the homicide rate in the 1950’s was almost
     half of that in the 1980’s.

     (National Center for Health Statistics, Vital Statistics, Revised July, 1999)

     Boys who own legal firearms have much
     lower rates of delinquency and drug use and are
     even less delinquent than non-owners of
     guns.

     (U.S. Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention)

     Firearms in private hands are used 2.5 million times each year to prevent crime, or 6,849
     times every day 138, including rapes, aggravated assaults, and kidnapping. The number of
     innocent children protected by firearm owning parents far outweighs the number hurt by guns.

     (Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State University, 1997)

     Medical mistakes kill
     400,000 people per year –
     about one fully loaded
     jumbo jet crash per day – or
     about 286 times the rate of
     all accidental firearm
     deaths.171 This translates
     into 1 in 6 doctors causing
     an accidental death, and 1 in
     56,666 gun owners doing
     the same.
     (Medical death statistics from Dr. David Lawrence, CEO Kaiser Permanente.)

     In 1976, Washington,
     D.C. enacted one of the most
     restrictive gun control laws in
     the nation. Since then, the
     city’s murder rate has risen 134
     percent while the national
     murder rate has dropped 2
     percent.

     Maryland claims to have
     the toughest gun control laws
     in the nation and ranks #1 in robberies and #4 in both violent crime and murder.

     (FBI Uniform Crime Repot)

     Every day, 550 rapes,
     1,100 murders, and 5,200
     other violent crimes are
     prevented just by showing a gun. In less than 0.9% of the time is the gun ever actually fired
     (Ibid)

     60% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew
     the victim was armed. 40% of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes
     when they thought the victim might be armed

     (James Wright and Peter Rossi,)

     Well im gonna stop with the facts now lol. I dont think I used one pro- gun reference either. Thanx if you have read this far. This is the best I could do. Remeber respect everyones opinion.

     Comment by Rawr — 2 November, 2006 #
104. 

     I just want one of you crazy anti-2nd amendment nuts to answer this question,

     It’s 3AM a burgler breaks into your house, but you don’t have a gun. What do you shoot him with?

     Comment by James Roberts — 6 November, 2006 #
105. 

     If you had read the comments this has been covered many times.
     The fact that you are so hell-bent on shooting someone is in and of itself deeply disturbing…

     The answer being that you don’t shoot him, let him take what he wants and leave, and then you call the cops, and your insurance company which is conveniently in place for these situations.

     In the end, no one gets hurt…

     Comment by junaman — 6 November, 2006 #
106. 

     your outlook on that is so completly wrong i honestly don’t know where to begin. you expect me to let a strange deranged person steal my possesions while i hide in a corner, and what if he decides to attack my loved ones, should i still stand by. you know in vietnam we had a name for people like you, we called them Charlie

     Comment by James Roberts — 6 November, 2006 #
107. 

     No one needs a fully automatic weapon, but I don’t ever plan on giving up my guns!

     The problem is that if you take away a piece, that will never be enough and you will want all guns and eventually all knives and night sticks, etc…

     For you to think, no guns means no guns use or deaths from guns just look at the middle east where guns are not allowed by the people in many countries but many die from guns.

     PS-We are not France-nor do we ever aspire to be.

     Comment by compman41 — 6 November, 2006 #
108. 

     this website is a realy good website for people who nead information for gun control in the U.S.A
     i would wish if you could send me some more wesites for more more information thank you very mutch.

     Comment by Deonne Budge — 23 November, 2006 #
109. 

     For you folks who want to take away guns, but then complain that Bush is taking away constitutional civil rights, your’e being hypocritical.

     You see, gun rights are part of the constitution, as well as rights to privacy, rights to expression, rights to religion or non-religion, right to due process of law, etc.

     Bush should be impeached for violating the constitution, but so should any liberal who tries to violate the contitution by banning guns. The libertarians have been consistent in supporting each and every last amendment of the bill of rights.

     Message to both liberalauthoritarian leftist and conservative politicians: Just keep taking more and more rights away, enlarging the government, and the people will have their revolution, and the libertarians will have the upper hand.

     Comment by mad dog — 5 December, 2006 #
110. 

     @mad dog

     Morality and ethics in general was never limited to one single document (in this case the US Constitution).

     Disagreeing with parts of this document but agreeing with others does not make one hypocritical.

     Comment by junaman — 5 December, 2006 #

111. Why People Believe Americans Are Stupid

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     Trackback by Fun house — 17 January, 2007 #
112. 

     I respect your opinion on this subject, however misguided and silly. Your obvious lack of understanding the basics of self preservation in any environment, against any enemy, for any possible legal reason is not uncommon among those of you that see firearms as anything other than a “tool”, or a sort of political rallying point for some sinceless political banter. To which your rounded up like livestock to cheer on. Everyone has there cause, I suppose. Those of you that feel this way are perfectly comfortable to have yourselves protected by those that are required to carry weapons as “tools” of their trade, to protect you, but mostly themselves, against the less subserviant criminal elements of society. Which is a sure sign of fear and hypocrasy or just plain laziness on your part. I call you people “sheep”.
     God, (or the big bang if you prefer), created all mankind equal. There is nothing wrong with keeping it that way.
     If you live in euphoria and all is well, like a Thomas Kincade painting, where you reside. I’m happy for you. All is well, so far, where I’m at.
     My firearm has never killed anyone or anything. But it is comforting to know, I may look like a sheep, but I sure the hell won’t die like one.

     Comment by dominic — 5 February, 2007 #
113. 

     Another thing. Regardless of the constitution, which I will defend, common since dictates we are all responsible for law and order. Protection of ourselves and property is the basic principle of survival. The willingness and ability to do that effectively is paramount for a civilised society. How more civilised can you get, than to be social enough to protect your own person, family or assets? Regardless of statistics, which can be molded to fit any point of view. I prefer the common since approach. The belief that many individuals are harmless and docile typically remains true, untill that sudden moment when all hell will break lose, and your wondering where is the civilised thought process in your attacker.

     Ofcourse guns are made to kill. But as with all things big and small, resposiblity is the key to power. We all have an equal say in our existance. Thats what makes a society great and strong. Not the absence of equality or rights that curtail our ability of self preservation. Those that abuse the use of weapons must stand accountable for that abuse. More times than not they will escape capture or any real ritribution for commiting these crimes. I am not responsible for crimes commited with baseball bats, knives, cars or any other civilised “tool”. Would it be prudent to give up these articles to reduce crime in society, or make the perpetrator responsible for his actions by removeing not the object, but the uncivilised individual? We honor life so much, we will incarcirate the perpitraters of violence at our expense, but suggest the subtraction of self protection from the equation for those that are civil and law abiding.
     This form of backward thought is not very civilised itself. It is my firm belief this individual probably paid to much for their education.

     Comment by dominic — 5 February, 2007 #
114. 

     “This form of backward thought is not very civilised itself. It is my firm belief this individual probably paid to much for their education.”

     How can this thought possibly be backwards?
     This thought is predominant in all western societies, except for the US.
     I might be mistaken, but I haven’t heard of a single other forward country than the US having no gun control whatsoever.

     It represent a forward leap in thought pattern, the thought that the responsibility of protecting the innocent rests not on the individual, but on the state.

     The idea you suggest, that any man must be capable of defending his family, is a step back, not forward, to medieval thinking. Or, in the US, to the time where settlers were fighting native americans.

     The fact remain that all other western countries have succeded to protect their inhabitants from harm with gun-control, not expose them.

     Statistics can be molded?
     Sure, but in this case the evidence is just a bit too clear.
     I dare you to find a single statistic that support your point of view, that less people are violently killed in the US than in any other western country without gun control.

     Comment by migB — 11 March, 2007 #
115. 

     If you are so worried about burglaries, get a dog. There is several advantages:
     1) the dog is better at violence, and better at fighting in the night.
     2) the dog won’t kill the burglar (unless you train it to, but then you are deranged)
     3) the dog won’t accidentally shoot and kill another family member.

     I’ve seen a bit of violence, but I have never seen anybody get shot. I have seen people get into really disturbing fights that almost ended up in somebody getting killed, and I am so glad that there wasn’t any guns around, because that would have meant that a) my friend would have been shot, or b) the guy beating up my friend might have been killed instead of “just” getting beaten into unconsiousnes.

     HOWEVER: If I was living in the states I would probably get myself a gun. And I do sympathise with the more extremist 2nd amendment people out there. It is your right. But maybe there should be a bit more training and evaluation involved before you got the gun?

     Aight? Peace & Love.

     Comment by NCF — 18 April, 2007 #
116. 

     first of all, this is such a stereotype. I know all about stereotypes since I’m an American blonde living in China, trust me. I get enough crap as it is from people about me being American. Infact, there is no race out there that is perfect. Sure America isn’t perfect and right now I would have to say its been doing a lot of things wrong. But so has other countries.
     And about the guns, it’s true that their are more guns in America that there is anywhere else in the world. BUT GUESS WHAT, CHINA KILLS MORE PEOPLE THAN AMERICA AND THE REST OF THE WORLD PUT TOGETHER. So, even though America’s got the guns, China executes more people that anywhere in the world. What do you have to say to that?

     Comment by rachel — 6 June, 2007 #
117. 

     Incredibly, NFC’s statement is even more ludicrous than junaman’s original entry on this subject. Unfortunately, such levels of idiocy seem to pervade junaman’s “enlightened” world.

     Point one:

     “1) the dog is better at violence, and better at fighting in the night.”

     Simply because several species of canines have somewhat larger teeth compared to humans doesn’t mean the animals are any better at violence. You also assume dogs will automatically attack something they perceive as a threat to themselves or their owners. My neighbour’s dog hides under the bed anytime a stranger knocks on the door.

     Point 2:

     “2) the dog won’t kill the burglar (unless you train it to, but then you are deranged”

     If a dog begins attacking someone or something typically you must physically remove the animal from the situation because they will not obey cease commands when displaying the type of aggressive behavior you desire of them. Talking with canine police handlers and reviewing video footage of police dogs, extremely well-trained animals I might add, in action reveals this fact quite readily. I have observed this fact on my property when feral dogs attack livestock. They will only stop when they are either satisfied, severely injured, killed, or pulled away. It would be safe to assume an untrained animal attacking an intruder in the dead of night would be as much a threat to the owner as it would be to the intruder. Dogs often do not take the time to differentiate between targets, especially in situations of high stress.

     Point three:
     “3) the dog won’t accidentally shoot and kill another family member.”

     I am unsure why you believe a dog could manipulate a firearm, but I will assume you meant that a dog would not attack or kill another family member. I assure you a great many men, women, and children are maimed and killed every year by dogs living in homes. Children in particular are maimed on a daily basis by household pets. Two weeks ago in a neighboring city, a 6 y/o had his arm ripped off by a neighbor’s pet. Last week one of those “never hurt a flea” type dogs killed a 4 y/o. So much for man’s best friend, eh?

     I would like to make the point that using a dog to protect yourself is akin to using a slave to do your work. Why are you putting the poor animal’s life at risk by sending them into harms way, or allowing it to go into harms way? Perhaps the dog would like you to protect it from things that go bump in the night. Shame on you for thinking you can use an innocent animal to protect youself from harm.

     As I have alluded to in previous statements, feral dogs frequent our somewhat large property. I leave them alone and they leave me alone. Typically, we all “get along” so to speak.

     However, I have encountered aggressive dogs. There are no animal control officers to call as we do not live in the city limits, and the Sheriffs department will not do anything concerning dogs roaming free unless they are destroying property (i.e. eating our animals).

     Last year, when a 12 y/o girl was walking home from the bus stop at the end of my property one of these feral dogs attacked her. By the time I reached the scene the dog had mangled her face, had bitten into her neck, and was slowly suffocating her to death all while her friends were watching. I ask all the great empathizers with big hearts who have posted, what should I have done?

     Junaman has suggest that I should simply let the attacker, robbing this innocent girl of her life, finish its business, let him leave to do it again, and then perhaps call the police. After all, the dog isn’t hurting me, it just wants to eat, so why should I do anything to stop the situation? Live and let live, right?

     Anyone with the slightest capacity for compassion would suggest doing something about it before the dog finished its “work” on the girl. Junaman asks that I simply endure the situation because the attacker is very likely not to hurt me.

     Bollocks! I used a rifle to kill the dog so that I could perform first-aid as quickly as possible. Have you ever tried to staunch the bleeding on a person drowning in their own blood? Let me tell you that it isn’t much fun. Luckily, an ambulance arrived in five mintues well before the sheriff who arrived after ten minutes.

     Junaman’s suggestion that child forfeit her life so that he doesn’t feel so bad about one drug dealer shooting another drug dealer is at the same time laughable and outrageous. It is quite obvious that the author lives in some other reality where viscous people don’t exist, robbery is simply another line of work, and murderers are just misunderstood people who need little more than a hug to “cure” them of their anti-social behaviour.

     What a load of bollocks. From the views expressed here it appears that junaman is one of the most cruel and uncompassionate people I have had the displeasure to read.

     Comment by StrangerThanFiction — 26 July, 2007 #
118. 

     US Gun Statistics
     Various Sources

     (A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
     (B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
     (C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

     (Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

     Guns
     (A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
     Yes, that is 80 million.

     (B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
     (C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

     Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
     Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.”

     FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

     Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

     Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

     Enough said!

     Comment by Els — 20 November, 2007 #
119. 

     Thank you. You have helped someone more than you could know.

     Comment by bet 24pl stanley bookmakers — 24 January, 2008 #
120. 

     I have owned guns since I was just a young lad. Not once has one of my guns leaped up off a table, out of a closet or gun cabinet, or out of its protective case and discharged itself. Not once. Not a single person has ever been killed or maimed by one of my weapons, with or without me. And I am one of the vast majority of gun owners who must say the same about their guns.

     Comment by Dan — 12 February, 2008 #
121. 

     leave us gun toting rednecks alone i say it is the people that do the killing

     Comment by David howell — 16 April, 2008 #
122. 

     Ok then so basically you are saying that getting rid of guns will help reduce violence. Well, lets say good bye to forks and knives, pens, pencils, belts. I mean, those can be used as weapons. Hell, your HANDS can be used as weapons so should we get rid of those too? Not all people are born killers. You need to stop being so paranoid. I am 14, can shoot a .45 and have no intention of killing anyone. When your butt is in danger, and the only thiing that can save you is a gun toting police officer, I hope you lose that stick shoved up your…

     Comment by Al — 28 May, 2008 #
123. 

     haha I have read this whole blog and i find it funny that idiots keep defending the gun laws in the US. To be honest i own a rifle which i use for possum hunting in NZ (never ever thinking of using it for protection purposes), here i have to maintain a current firearms license in which i sit tests and the police come to check how I’m keeping my gun (locked up in a secure place away from ammunition which is locked up separately. If i wish to transport my gun it much remain locked up (cannot legally carry a gun on person) the police don’t even carry guns on them. I’m not defending owning a gun for the use of killing animals but if you could understand the situation where i live and the problems possums cause (i study biology at university and do not enjoy killing animals, especially native birds which is why i kill possums which have “ravaged the native new zealand landscape but this is far from the point) anyway back to the point, in nz as it is in australia and the uk, it is illegal to own a handgun which serves no other use (unlike shotguns or rifles on the farm or bush) other than to harm people, semi automatic and fully automatic assault rifles are also illegal as they serve no other purpose which cannot be fulfilled by a rifle other than to harm people as they are designed to do by the military. I feel im rambling quite a bit so ill get to the point, guns can in some respects be used as a tool but certain guns serve no other purpose than to harm people

     using stupid statistics on how Washington DC has strict gun laws and a rising gun crime is ludacris!!!

     i can see how some pro gun people say that it just stops law abiding citizens from owning guns and wouldn’t stop criminals and that Washington DC is an example of this but do they forget that other states within a short drive do allow handguns???? so no shit gun crime is going to continue to rise as the criminals are still able to access guns easily. Here in NZ i can live with the freedom of knowledge that I am HIGHLY unlikely to be shot as NO-ONE owns a handgun, neither criminal nor public (of which the public can become criminals too).

     i laughed at the comment about how the Virginia tec massacre wouldn’t have happened if all the students had guns hahahahahaha such twisted logic!!!! how about the Virginia tec massacre would not have occured had the shoots not had such ready access to guns and ammunition.

     thats just a touch of what i could ramble on about but i have more important things to do. Just look at the worldwide statistics on what industrialized country has the greatest murders, re-offending rates, incarceration rates, violent crime, incarceration lengths and then look at what country has the highest gun ownership and most relaxed gun laws and note what country that is…

     i have lived in the untited states and canada and my family now lives in australia while i live in new zealand, i can tell you that 3 of those countries feel safer and just as free if not more freedom and you can guess which country i disliked the most (although a great place/more exciting none the least to live)

     im not an american hater, its just i felt that when i was living there i could see just how the rest of the world gets so annoyed with them, they are very inward looking and know “sweet fuck all” about how the rest of us live. i would invite them to come see how it is outside the US

     fuck i ramble, im outies

     Comment by NZ gun owner — 10 June, 2008 #

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