11/09 – Tribute? « Incompetence Inc.

11/09 – Tribute?

11 September, 2006 at 9:21 pm | In Incompetence Exposed | 71 Comments

Today is the day where we put aside all our political differences to remember all those innocent people who died in an attack on America: the brave and courageous volunteers and emergency workers who risked and lost their lives fighting to save the others, the “Muslim terrorists” (if you choose to believe that) who died for their god, the poor old government who were blown away at the shock horror of the attacks… Right?

Wrong…

Sure I’ll pay respects. I will feel some sympathy for the innocent (Democrat-voting) Americans (foreigners) who died on the planes, in the towers and in the middle of nowhere.

I will remember those who died at the hands of their own elected government, while the people re-elected it for a second term with a majority in both houses.

Conspiracy or not, screw all those scientific facts. Look at it simply.

The government had the means, the opportunity (they’re a damn government for fucks sake) and they had something to gain (so did the Jews), motive.

Watch Loose Change

Warning: video duration – 1h 22m

Were they solely involved? Does it matter?

If your government was complicit, regardless of the amplitude of complicity, in a plot to kill their own people, wouldn’t you like to know?

Wouldn’t that be enough for them to go on trial for crimes against humanity, the President to be impeached… or at least be enough to not warrant a re-election with a bigger majority?

Yes, that’s right. The Bush shenanigans led to him being re-elected for a second term, able to do anything his party feels with a majority in both houses, and no possibility of being elected again, unless they change some document, the Constitution or something…
Yes, you, The American People voted him in…

Blah, blah, blah.. you say you didn’t vote for him? You say your people are misrepresented?

Well guess what, the definition of Democracy is a “government representing the people”, but we obviously know that the USA isn’t a democracy.

More like an Autocratic Theocracy, protecting your rights as stated in The Incoherent Ramblings of Jesus H. Christ.

I’ll leave you today on a disturbing thought.

Looks like Bush’s approval rating is at an all time low…

And other public opinion polls show this:

Does the USA PATRIOT Act go too far?
Date	Too Far	Not Too Far^*
25 August-26 August 2003	22%	69%
10 November-12 November 2003	25%	65%
16 February-17 February 2004	26%	64%
13 April-16 April 2005	45%	49%

Time for another major terrorist attack?

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you asshole.

Comment by dan — 12 September, 2006 #
“Conspiracy or not, screw all those scientific facts. Look at it simply.”

Yea, thats a smart thing to say. The problem for you is, without those scientific facts, your conspiracy theory is bullshit.

Comment by Skiny — 12 September, 2006 #
If you honestly believe Loose Change, I really have to smack you upside the head for, as Maddox would say, allowing yourself to be bukakked with stupid that is Loose Change, and if you need more convincing, read Maddox’s article on it. But, as seeing how you believed it in the first place, it might be too truthful.

Comment by stealth — 12 September, 2006 #
Wow. You actually tried to use Maddox to refute these claims. Thats…wow.

Comment by Zeonix — 12 September, 2006 #
You’re right, bush is a fascist dictator and 9/11 was an inside job. The current form of government is 200 years out of date and out of touch with reality. They control the media and think of every last person as having an iq of between 40-70 (which isn’t far off) and as a meal ticket because they pay taxes. Time for anarchy, let’s all go out and start shooting, many of you do already, you’re just not shooting the right people. Shoot bush.

Comment by Tommy — 12 September, 2006 #
Not to refute, to add. The fact that there are people out there who will try to blame our government for 9/11 is just pathetic. I’m using Maddox’s points (just so people wouldn’t say: “That sounds like something Maddox said!”) to show how improbable it is (yes, there is is a teeny tiny chance that is could have maybe possibly been orchestrated by the U.S. Government) that it could have happened. The world hates us, and it just seems that bias gets an upper hand in this by attempting to show just HOW ‘bad’ we really are. That’s all. I’m not saying that he is wrong, just that his point is horribly biased (thought I’m sure he meant it that way).

Comment by stealth — 12 September, 2006 #
and @ Tommy: “Time for anarchy, let’s all go out and start shooting, many of you do already, you’re just not shooting the right people. Shoot bush.”

What is wrong with you? Are you so misinformed about America that you actually think we’re all gun-toting skinhead hicks? That VAST majority of Americans don’t even OWN a gun, and not only that, they don’t like in ‘redneck’ areas. And don’t even get me started on the fact you you even allude to shooting Bush *Psst: assassination of a President is illegal and has been for over 40 years* just please keep inane things to yourself.

Comment by stealth — 12 September, 2006 #
If any of you people could actually get over yourselves, you would realise that it doesn’t matter who did it, what matters is that it doesn’t happen again. While all you people are stuck in the past arguing over who is right and who is wrong, these people will be planning their next move.
If you managed to remove yourself from your own asses, you might actually wake up and realise who did it, why they did it and when they’re going to do it again.
They don’t have to fight us, as we’re doing it ourselves.

Comment by MaRa — 12 September, 2006 #
I do agree MaRa, whoever did this is certainly going to strike another day, somewhere. But I was arguing what the article was about, a bogus conspiracy theory.

Comment by stealth — 12 September, 2006 #
i am sorry i don t speak very very good english but i want juste see u
is not ossama bent laden u look this films
loose.change2
u can download this torrent in
http://www.smartorrent.com i am arabic man i am from morocco the arabic people is good people don t do this

Comment by anass — 12 September, 2006 #
“If any of you people could actually get over yourselves, you would realise that it doesn’t matter who did it, what matters is that it doesn’t happen again. While all you people are stuck in the past arguing over who is right and who is wrong, these people will be planning their next move.”

Actually it does matter who did it, because unless we know the source of the problem we cannot prevent it again. If we don’t realize that the goverment fabricated this attack, including many others. We will never learn and will continue to bah like sheep do and accept this new world order they are seeking to impose on us.

I sure sound insane making such claims, although being a man of principle and logic myself, I have seen practically everything there is to be seen on the subject, documentaries and evidence that dates back to the 1960’s which all tell me that this goverment is lieing to us and clearly hiding something about the events of 9/11.

I’ll refrain from stating the obvious of “Wake up people”, what I will say though is that I would suggest stop fighting and go and educate yourself on the subject. People call me closed minded and a conspiracy theorist because I ask VALID questions which directly contradict the official story. Hell, I could be wrong about it, maybe all the evidence I’ve seen up to date has all been inaccurate and caused me to believe a false reality, even so, then I’ll find out on my own later and laugh about it. Atleast I’m willing to look into the subject and read up as much as I can, many people just go “conspiracy nuts” are fucking retarded so let’s ignore them, they can’t be right!

GO AND EDUCATE YOURSEFLVES PEOPLE.

Comment by GameWizard — 12 September, 2006 #
I can get you a hell of a deal on a tinfoil hat.

Comment by J — 12 September, 2006 #
A point for both sides of this argument: Everyone, at least in America, is entitled to his or her own point of view, no matter how religiously biased or obviously stupid it is.

Comment by kruton — 12 September, 2006 #
Hi all, i’m from Holland and i’m urging you all to WAKE UP!! There’s no question about it: not Bush, but elements in his administration are guilty as sin. Just consider that they tried to stop ANY investigation of 9/11; you had to wait two years, enough time to clear out any evidence… Just the fact that the biggest crime in recent history has still not been properly investigated should make you all MAD!!!! I know I am. In my country new “anti-terrorism” legislation has been accepted. We to have RFID chips in our passports. All of you who just cannot imagine your government would lie to you or kill your own citizens, just consider Irak: you went to war, based on flat-out LIES, and now almost 3000 American kids are DEAD!!! Lured to their deads with lies… And you still believe your government is innocent??!! I love Americans, don’t get me wrong, but your government is playing you like a violin… Please wake up and smell the clusterbombs…

Comment by Winston — 12 September, 2006 #
You want to know the facts? Check out http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html. There are the scientifically proven facts. I’m so sick of hearing people over and over again claim that it was planned, that the pentagon was hit with a missle, that the towers were brought down with explosives, that the planes were not passenger planes, NORAD didn’t respond properly, etc., etc., etc.. Get over it. We got fucked. Go after the governments ability to plan this. Talk about the fact that the Dept. of Homeland Security was put to congress a few years BEFORE 9/11. Talk about why intelligence sources were ignored repeatedly before and after the attacks. Sure Bush and his croneys had something to gain. That’s why they manipulated their intelligence to say what they wanted it to say. There is plenty wrong with our government and their handling of 9/11 to go after without going into a bunch of bullshit conspiracy theories cooked up by people who have no expertise or knowledge of what they talk about.

Comment by Steevo — 12 September, 2006 #
…..at the end of the day people died – why can’t anyone remember that…..real people died. Stuff the conspiracy theories, the religous zealots, the governments that don’t look in the right places, the security guards that didn’t see the box cutter – who cares about all of that – real people died horribly. I don’t believe in collatoral damage, that is not how wars were raged in centuries gone past.
Get over yourselves people, mourn the dead, recognise their greatness for being human and people and move on. Live….

Comment by Kim — 12 September, 2006 #
In response to Kim, Dan and everyone else… Yes Mourn the dead.. but unless we take a look at history we are doomed to repeat it.

Posting this article does not make you an asshole. Since when is the truth negative?

-If you cant see that building 7 falling in a demolition fashion, when it was never hit as very odd then you should get your head checked.

-NORAD was told by our government to stand down and not bring down the planes.

-NORAD also was running 3 drills at the same time of the attacks. The drills were to train in case there were ever planes flown into the twin towers.

-Jet fuel would not have been able to cause the towers to fall.Those buildings were built to take a hit by planes. They also would not have fallen in a demolition style.

Step back, kill your ego and look at the evidence.THIS WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

“Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act.” -Orwell

Comment by MMXII — 12 September, 2006 #
It was an inside job.. period.. and if you dont believe loose change,… your an asshole who’s just another of the cattle in line at the slaughter house.

There are too many questions un-answered and too many inconsistancies about that entire day. There were an amazing amount of things that happend that day surrounding 9/11 that had never before happened in history.. and I’m not talking about the attacks.. I’m talking about the bullshit that we got fed and believed..

Comment by o0paradox0o — 12 September, 2006 #
[...] I am not sure if the following is a slam on me (go here: http://junaman.wordpress.com/2006/09/11/1109-tribute/). It’s funny how I stumble across these things even when I’m not looking for them. It probably is a slam and that’s OK, because this is why we have blogs. We put our thoughts out into the Internet ether for others to consider, whether they are for them or against them. The short story to all of this is 9/11 will forever be a defining moment, even a dividing line, in the history of the U.S. [...]

Pingback by A Short Remembrance of 9/11 and a Tribute « Ramblngs from the Mind of StrUHT — 12 September, 2006 #
Hey, really a beautiful job. When you get out of high school, maybe you’ll take a reading course so you can actually do some research instead of just being a toilet.

You know what a toilet is? Or aren’t you even potty-trained yet?

Comment by Richard Canary — 12 September, 2006 #
Dude you are a fucking prick. There is no conspiracy and for anyone who thinks there is one has to be insane. The government with millions of people like ourselves screwed up. That fact you can think our government is so crewl and cold hearted to let thousands of people die without flinching is unquestionable. With every disaster in history there is always so friggin crazy that makes up this elaborate conspiracy. Which when you look at the facts makes no sense.

Comment by Bry — 12 September, 2006 #
that popular mechanics article is bullshit, i cant believe you are even quoting that. there are two events that will tell you whether you are amoung the sheep or not.
1)If you believe that a 757 with a wingspan of approx 145 ft and two 6 ton engines can fit through a 16 foot hole and leave the surrounding area intact or
2) If you believe that building 7 collapsed near symetrically in under 6 seconds because of a few sporatic fires.

if you see nothing wrong then keep on believing in your “great”, “innocent” government. better get moving , looking like your shepard is coming, get back in line sheep

Comment by cmac — 12 September, 2006 #
Wow that 757 you speak of hit the ground, the wings then broke off, then slide into the pentagon. Not only that there is a video and wow witnesses and wow people I know who worked there. Why don’t you go talk to some eye witnesses.

Comment by Bry — 12 September, 2006 #
So BRY what about Building 7?? It was never hit and the owner is on tape saying that they pulled it.

IT WAS NEVER HIT!!!!!

Comment by MMXII — 12 September, 2006 #
Every one else on this board who dosent think it was an inside job isnt stating any FACTS.. your just saying
“There is no conspiracy and for anyone who thinks there is one has to be insane.”

… wow cant argue with that kind of fucking research!

Comment by MMXII — 12 September, 2006 #
Yeah, all u fucking tools that want to believe the conspiracy theorists are cracked out. You keep having that smoke blown up your ass. I won’t be surprised when the pictures show up in the tabloids, with u guys caught with your mouths around Bush’s cock. Get with the program, fuck.. stupid ppl. Thank the gods I don’t live in such a dipshit country, tho my country is not MUCH better, it certainly beats the living fuck out of living in the US.

Comment by Fuzzy — 12 September, 2006 #
@ Skiny… “Yea, thats a smart thing to say. The problem for you is, without those scientific facts, your conspiracy theory is bullshit.”

I never said their weren’t any, I said to ignore them because i find that shit boring…
The point is, don’t you find the fact that America had a motive, regardless of whether they were involved, to be disturbing in and of itself?

Comment by junaman — 12 September, 2006 #
“I can get you a hell of a deal on a tinfoil hat.”

Actually, I’d probably want to stay away from those. Seeing as it’s metal, it would actually help satellites concentrate on my head which would essentially defeat the purpose of actually hiding from them.

Comment by GameWizard — 12 September, 2006 #
@stealth…
you are using Maddox to refute not to add, because you haven’t offered anything else except the stupid referral to Maddox

That article is flawed because:

1.The guy making the movie would be more beneficial to the government as a “crazy conspiracy nut” than dead

2.Killing him would just seal the deal with the conspiracy

3. The movie is already made, so that would require killing everyone who’s seen it

4. Other movies and evidence has been stated and the amount of killings the government would have to commit would outnumber that of 11/9

5. The government realises that it is not wise to dig a bigger hole…

Comment by junaman — 12 September, 2006 #
@Bry
“Dude you are a fucking prick. There is no conspiracy and for anyone who thinks there is one has to be insane. The government with millions of people like ourselves screwed up. That fact you can think our government is so crewl and cold hearted to let thousands of people die without flinching is unquestionable. With every disaster in history there is always so friggin crazy that makes up this elaborate conspiracy. Which when you look at the facts makes no sense.”

They killed thousands of Iraqi civilians (that’s a fact.. not a “conspiracy theory) does that not make them “crewl and cold hearted”

Comment by junaman — 12 September, 2006 #
For those who think that there is only a SMALL chance that the U.S government was involved in the september 11 attacks please take a good look

Obviously your government had the means…they can do basically anything within America, they use a very strong form of government and lets face it they can basically do whatever they want since we{me included} tend to beleive what we are told.

The big question you have is “what is their motive” or “why would they do it”…
Quite simply they had everything to gain by doing it. They got re-elected{and surely they wouldnt have otherwise}, they got to go to war against an oil rich nation{now 2},they temporarily crashed their economy…which is actually a good thing because it allows burnt out economies like the American one to be reformed or even rebuilt{which allows them to continue functioning as a capitolist economy without collapsing}and they got top pass all thier bills to further their political position within America. You gained some allies{lost some too} and you turned the world against Islam…which SURELY suits your politicians who are almost exclusively fundamentalist christians.

Simply why wouldnt your government sacrifice a few thousand poeple if it would do them a world of good. September 11 was good for America so, in a sense you should be thanking them for their effort. Then again maybe not!

Comment by shrinkley — 12 September, 2006 #
You know.. I’m not even going to argue. The people that dont believe Loose Change just tell us that we’re insane. I completely agree with MMXII. Before telling us that we’re full of shit, people who believe otherwise need to back themselves up. CAN YOU HONESTLY SAY THE FUCKIN GOVERNMENT IS TELLING THE TRUTH!? LOOK AT THE FUCKIN EVIDENCE! OMG. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS! I’m done.

Comment by Nate — 12 September, 2006 #
@ Mr. Canary…

You haven’t given any facts or evidence in your personal attack of my credibility, so fuck off…

Comment by junaman — 12 September, 2006 #
junaman -

you suck. SIF. Conspiracy theories ftl. omgwtfbbqsrc.

Comment by Pox — 12 September, 2006 #
Umm.. ok… have anything to defend your opinion about the government not having anything to do with it?

Watch some of the videos and refute anything…
Don’t just come out with crap saying absolutely nothing about conspiracies being stupid because they’re conspiracy theories….

Comment by junaman — 12 September, 2006 #
Jesus H. Christ.

What is with the name calling and childish bickering? For heaven’s sake, it’s a fucking opinion. And guess what? You can disagree with someone else’s opinion without calling them a dickhead.
Grow up. Seriously.

Comment by waffle — 12 September, 2006 #
Not one person in any position of power has raised any of the points junaman raises. If there was a conspiracy by the military/christians/government to waste their own citizens then it must have been solely organised, carried out and known of by Acting President Bush and President Cheney. Which is a falsity.
So why wouldn’t someone come out about this? Because they are scared? Look at all the high ranking generals/CIA dudes/diplomats who spoke out against Iraq. Surely there would be people like that who would speak up about the murder of 3000 of their own people by the government. But they didn’t because it never happened.
This whole conspiracy theory is politically motivated trash designed to further a cause. A cause that may well have credibility and good reason, but by being backed up by garbage is in fact eroding it’s position.
Why isn’t the possibility of the government wasting their people being discussed in leftist/communist/anything forums. BECAUSE IT IS RIDICULOUS AND HAS NO PROOF, NO WITNESSES, NOTHING. Scientific evidence can often be interpreted as the observers wants it to. I am sure junaman would agree. And for every scientist that supports some of the “evidence” presented for the theory, there would be many more who can offer an explanation that is not biased towards their political agenda.
Hate America all you want, but support it with some facts. Please, the neo-cons don’t need more evidence for a crackdown on civil liberties. They already think liberals are the scum of the earth…
This conspiracy theory stuff is shitting me up the wall. Check these sites out to learn why conspiracy theories suck the big one:
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2005/07/24/an-integral-approach-to-conspiracy-theory/

Comment by porcelainmonkey — 12 September, 2006 #
can you ever agree with anyone?
Or is it that you can only disagree….

Comment by shrinkley — 12 September, 2006 #
Ah, porcelainmonkey… here we go again….

Off to lah-lah land again with your “government is holier than thou” attitude and your nonsensical arguments. Some of your arguments and your die-hard, gungho, fundie language really juxtaposes all valid points (if any) you managed to bring up. Unfortunately just another case of a chronic spoon-fed debacle.

You could have been such a fine young lad…

People have spoken out my dear porcelainmonkey. Watching some of that material I so conveniently linked to my article, in order for you not to waste your “holy god” precious time searching for such blasphemies, will most certainly clear that misconception up.
Of course you will never hear of these so called anomalies if you don’t look, because, of course, the media is well enough controlled by the Jews and the government, in order to warrant removals of such aspersions and terminological inexactitudes from our frail little retinas.

And we of course all know that the Judah-ists gained from 11/09.

Yes, my dear pmonkey… appreciate this fine wisdom, for your little oculi have long been clouded, perhaps even obfuscated, by the little chumps living the life you so long for, catechising your little cerebrum, conditioning them for your big leap into the foreground, the cutting edge… Grasp at those straws, in case ye may ever question the almighty and come tumbling down the long ladder of fruition.

The facts await! I wish you luck…

Comment by junaman — 12 September, 2006 #
Popular Mechanics debunking of 9/11 is a pile of horse shit. Check out these debunkings of the Popular Mechanics debunking: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/
http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/index.html

Comment by eclipse — 12 September, 2006 #
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/controlled_demolition_expert_and_wtc_7.htm

Comment by MMXII — 13 September, 2006 #
In all reality, it does mot matter much longer, as the 2008 election will see this rise of the Democrat as the majority leader. So we can say goodbye to the prolonged Republican wars and more focus on the U.S. economy and security (at least in theory, it all dpeends how many people actually *show* up to the polls *grumble*).

Comment by stealth — 13 September, 2006 #
Stealth – the Democrats are the masters of the circular firing squad. Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched.

Comment by J — 13 September, 2006 #
I’m not saying they are the best political party in the U.S.A. , but rather, that the change in liberalness (is it’s not a word, it is now) might be…for lack of a better word, refreshing for the policies of the United Atates.

Comment by stealth — 13 September, 2006 #
@ junaman

Your reply does not rebut my points:

There is no large movement to blame 9/11 on the govt. Dissent is restricted to a small *small* minority of internet conspiracy theorists.

Forums (both scientific and political) have not been arranged to discuss the possibility of a government set-up.

Your Popular Mechanics evidence is easily refuted (thank you eclipse).

Liberal media (which definitley exists in America and elsewhere, despite junaman’s claims of a jewish-conservative control of the media) has not leapt on the bandwagon – because it is ridiculous.

Junaman goes on to criticise my comment as fundamental religious dogma (wtf honestly). His attacks on my argument resolve around the fact that somehow my eyes are clouded by “chumps” living the life I long to lead. Explaining how this relates to the argument is a task that is far beyond my powers of analysis.
By addressing some of the issues, rather than making ficticious and unintelligible attacks upon my crediblity, junaman might be able to uncover some unbiased truth and resolve over the issue.
Cheers

Comment by porcelainmonkey — 13 September, 2006 #
ALLRIGHT junaman lets see here…..Jews controlling the media? cmon hitler used that theory to clamp down on control of the press, now did the jews control the media? no of coure not. Now to my point, Jews are just another people who have a religion its like me saying that islamists are controlling the FDA to make us westerners fatter so we’ll be easier to annihilate us (which im sure ill be seeing an article on this blog on in a couple of days..) anyway and for your goverment control of the media think logically for a minute friend the goverment has always controlled the media in every country. Think about it man if you were in control of a country would you want anti-goverment shit on like every news outlet like cmon nothing will ever be done so i really think you should stop using that same argument you used on porcelainmonkey.

Comment by k first of all junaman..... — 13 September, 2006 #
Jews controlling Americas media:

http://www.sdlusa.com/sdl/mediain1.htm

http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia.htm

http://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm

Jews are not part of a religion, Jews are a race…

Comment by junaman — 13 September, 2006 #
@porcelainmonkey

“Your reply does not rebut my points:”

Well, well, well, aren’t we the clever one, adding new points as we go along and then telling me I haven’t retorted them yet… I don’t read the future erstwhile porcelainmonkey, you think too highly of me.

The only point you brought up in your original post was that no-one had come out and said anything about a conspiracy. I directed you to do some research as your claims were unfounded and unresearched.

Now you’re saying that no liberal media has embraced this issue. Well have a quick search for this related topic on google and you will find how wrong you are, once again your mind has been obfuscated… Why do you even think we’re having this discussion, if no media had reported this issue…

Also I would like you to find statistics about this being a small *small* minority who believes this…

@k first of all junaman (wtf?)

Your statement about nothing being able to be done about government media control is so ignorant and apathetic that people like you is why we are in this situation in the first place..

Comment by junaman — 13 September, 2006 #
Lets all stop arguing and thank god for the fact that our lord will ultimately save us in the end. Whether the evil is from other races or indeed perhaps from within our own government you must know that with faith it will all turn out ok.
Whether you believ junaman or not just remeber the lives lost and prey for this to never happen again.

Comment by diacos — 13 September, 2006 #
But the lord saved them? Why should we remember them?

Shut up you fundie..

Comment by junaman — 13 September, 2006 #
You can only save yourself. People have been waiting for Jesus to save them for about 2000 years now.

Comment by MaRa — 14 September, 2006 #
war on terror is good, it fucks the world up, it fucks everything up
the world should be majorly fucked, it doesnt deserve order

Comment by awe;goiaewj;foewij — 14 September, 2006 #
nice one jewnaman,
lets not forget you are born into a jewish family.
it’d be a bit harsh to blame everything on the jews, WHEN YOU ARE ONE
sucka

Comment by you're a dolt — 14 September, 2006 #
i think this site is an excellent site…secondly {correct me ifim wrong plaese junaman} arent junamans parents aethiest too?

Comment by shrinkley — 15 September, 2006 #
@ you’re a dolt

You’re a dolt…. (wtf?)

You see I’m Jewish by race, something that I can’t choose to be… making your comment completely irrelevant.

Shrinkley, yes they are… but Jewish is both an ethnicity and a religion
I don’t bag you because you’re black or white or any other race, so why say that me being Jewish makes me worse?
I don’t blame everything on Jews… I blame it mainly on Zionists the majority of whom are Jews, and vice versa.
Zionism is an ideology, which just like religion, is selected by someone by CHOICE, making it totally reversible and avoidable… Hence blaming these groups of people can make sense…

Comment by junaman — 15 September, 2006 #
Do you Americans commenting here who cannot believe your government can do wrong realise what is going on in the world?
It is going downhill. One of the major reasons for this is your country. I cannot say it’s your entire fault because there certainly are other forces to blame as well.
Your country has been doing absolutely anything to further your position in the global economy. You have become more ruthless yet somewhat silly recently. This is probably because of the growth of other economies that could leave you in their wake. The Asian economies and obviously the E.U are raping you and you are being forced to borrow alot of money from them!
An example of your ruthless nature is Venezuela. This smallish third world country just to your South suffers serious problems. Its foreign debt, poverty, lack of infrastructure, climate etc. are all causing major problems within the country. The new president has decided upon an action plan to attempt to solve these problems {I don’t think it will work!} He has begun to nationalise the oil industry in Venezuela {which has a massive amount of oil} to stop the American companies ripping them off. He has annihilated their monopoly by simply not renewing their licenses to operate their oil reserves. You would think that a small country which is very poor would deserve your help. But…
Your government has begun to restrict their trade to your very wealthy and valuable markets. Your government is sealing them out of the trade markets to simply set them back so that they will be forced to allow the oil companies back. It is ruthless and utterly evil. Venezuela will certainly not advance if your government continues to destroy their major trade opportunities.
Fell free to ignore what I am saying because their new president is indeed a nutcase. But please just have a look at your foreign policy because it shows that you are disrespecting the rest of the world with horrible and unfair decisions!

Comment by shrinkley — 16 September, 2006 #
You are easily the most idiotic person I have ever wasted my time reading the incoherant and ignorant ramblings of. Next time you need emergency services I hope you remember the 343 brothers I lost that day, and that they did not die in vain because of our “evil” president. They died trying to save people from the fucking islamo-fascists you obviously praise. Why don’t you fucking move to the middle east if you think they’re so nice.

Comment by firefighter — 16 September, 2006 #
Who said they died in vain?
The people inside the towers were innocent, and needed saving and you did your job…
I commend your bravery, courage and selflessness
Does it matter whether you were saving people from the terrorists or from your own government?

Please quote me on my praise of terrorists…
Islamo-fascist is a term made up your government to scare you

Comment by junaman — 16 September, 2006 #
faggot
no respect whatsoever for anyone or anything, everything on this stupid site is just a cry for attention

Comment by asdfdfgh — 18 September, 2006 #
You wanna try to back that up with any coherent sentences, or is that just a miserable cry for attention?
And where des sexual orientation come into this?

Comment by junaman — 18 September, 2006 #
yeah junaman youre just a faggot
Your argumaents have NO base behind them and they are complete bullshit.They are stupid and they dont make sense. Wake up junaman cos your ideas are stupid.
Obviously the government didnt knock down the buildings. They wouldnt do that.
Your stupid conspiracy theory is just that, stupid!And you are clearly stupid too!

Obviously my points of view aren’t stupid, because they’re not. Our government cannot possibly be evil. Bush is the greatest president ever, he fights terrorists!

When you finally graduate from school and go through puberty then I ask you to come and chat to me about your conspiracys. That way youll see that theyre bullshit!

Comment by shrinkley — 18 September, 2006 #
junaman — I still think you need a tinfoil hat. I also think you have a knack for pissing off illiterate-bigots, and for that you’re to be commended.

Comment by J — 19 September, 2006 #
By the way, some of the latest statistics:

A Zogby poll from this summer shows mainstream opinion 42 percent against the official story, claiming deliberate cover-up. Ten percent are undecided. According to a widely-cited August 14 poll by Ohio University and Scripps Howard News Service, 36 percent of Americans believe U.S. government officials “either assisted in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop the attacks because they wanted to go to war in the Middle East.”

More: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/September2006/200906Story.htm

Comment by junaman — 21 September, 2006 #
Prove though that the US is not invincible like all those action films told you otherwise.

Personally ithink they should have used old rules of war in iraq they should have subjated(sorry about the spelling) the people (muslims who cares) and banned media then annexed they country

Let the middle east burn

Comment by MrDearden — 23 September, 2006 #
Its nice to see that junaman likes to hide behind statisctics. Just so you know, polls gathered by major media outlets are usually an extreme opposite of what this nation really feels, because they only take into consideration the answers they like.

I have never once been asked by any poll what my approval rating of the president was, so these statistics are inherently incorrect because there is no way to ask EVERY US citizen what they think of the president.

Its rediculous to throw statistics around like stale confetti.

BTW, why don’t you critisize your own government? there must be some evil men stealing candy from babies in your utopia somewhere. Why don’t you stop wasting your time bitching about a place you will never understand, let alone ever give a chance to understand. I don’t even believe you could be capable of forming your own opinions of this country without having lived here.

In my opinion, yes, this country has some serious problems to fix, however, I also love this country dearly, and I would never consider moving out. This is my land, my forefathers died creating it, my ancestors died protecting it, and my brothers suffer and die keeping it safe. It is a land full of rich history, generally good people, and offers a future to anyone who is brave enough to go out and work for it.

Sure there are jerks here, but you know what? It takes a lot of assholes to make the world go round, and the United States is not the only country full of assholes. Obviously not, because I’m sure you’re not the only one living in your country (junaman).

Grow a pair and fight for something is worth fighting for, not some lame internet blog where you can get people upset.

Why don’t you try being a firefighter for a few weeks? Maybe then you’ll realise the shit we put up with day in and day out. The lives wasted because buearocracy held us back, because they wouldn’t fund the new Thermal Camera we needed, or the new Engine. Try working a 2 story fully involved structure fire with 6 men, when there should be 40, but the city keeps cutting manpower.

Thats real life, not some bullshit conspiracy theory. Look at it this way, 9-11 happened, lots of people died, Americans, foriegners, police and firefighters. its history, and nothing you can say or do will ever get the governemtn to admit they helped the terrorists. So stop and pick up a worthy cause for once. All you will do here is spur hate and discontent, when you could be out in the real world helping other people.

Or maybe you like inciting anti-american feelings. Who knows. But seriously, why don’t you get out of the house and do something for your comunity, at least it won’t be time wasted on the internet and you’ll get some exercise.

Comment by firefighter — 23 September, 2006 #
:Sigh:

“Its nice to see that junaman likes to hide behind statisctics. Just so you know, polls gathered by major media outlets are usually an extreme opposite of what this nation really feels, because they only take into consideration the answers they like.”

It’s nice that you like to hide behind your veil of being a courageous and honourable fire fighter who has it tough in this world.
If you haven’t noticed, statistics were brought in as an AFTERTHOUGHT… more than a WEEK after I wrote this article. They were posted in response to calls that no one believes whack conspiracy theories, to prove that some people do: no other reason. The fact that you say they don’t matter doesn’t disprove them or show that they don’t exist.

One more thing, this was not done my “major” or mainstream media outlets, but by small independent news sources. I’m sure however, that you can find inverse statistics from some MAJOR outlets, which, as you said, will be an extreme opposite…

“Its rediculous to throw statistics around like stale confetti.”

First time I’ve mentioned statistics mate (mainly because people like you have asked for them) yet this is the only point you touch upon.

“BTW, why don’t you critisize your own government? there must be some evil men stealing candy from babies in your utopia somewhere. Why don’t you stop wasting your time bitching about a place you will never understand, let alone ever give a chance to understand. I don’t even believe you could be capable of forming your own opinions of this country without having lived here.”

If you have read any of the other comments in my blog, you would know that I think my country is a fucked up piece of shit, with politicians who have their heads far far up their asses. However, the politics in my country is quite insignificant on comparison to what goes on in yours, and hence I choose to focus on the bigger issue at hand.

“In my opinion, yes, this country has some serious problems to fix, however, I also love this country dearly, and I would never consider moving out.”

This patriotic apathy is what is fucking up your country, and causing the “serious problems”

“Grow a pair and fight for something is worth fighting for, not some lame internet blog where you can get people upset. ”

Violence is the answer to everything isn’t it? The media is probably the most important tool anyone has of controlling the people and conveying or imposing your point of view on them. That’s why blogs CAN matter. Getting people upset is important too.

“The lives wasted because buearocracy held us back, because they wouldn’t fund the new Thermal Camera we needed, or the new Engine. Try working a 2 story fully involved structure fire with 6 men, when there should be 40, but the city keeps cutting manpower.”

And yet you still love your city and country dearly. Stop complaining then, why don’t you?

“nothing you can say or do will ever get the governemtn to admit they helped the terrorists.”

But deep down in my heart, I feel that I can stop it from happening again, by revealing these monsters. Getting them tried for war crimes et al.

Telling me that I can’t do something, and not to bother is the most ignorant, apathetic statement you can muster, which fuels your government’s control over the sheep.

Stop complaining, about my complaining.

Oh, and FUCK OFF

Comment by junaman — 23 September, 2006 #
“It’s nice that you like to hide behind your veil of being a courageous and honourable fire fighter who has it tough in this world.”

I don’t hide behind anything. You cannot compare the two.

“If you haven’t noticed, statistics were brought in as an AFTERTHOUGHT… more than a WEEK after I wrote this article. They were posted in response to calls that no one believes whack conspiracy theories, to prove that some people do: no other reason. The fact that you say they don’t matter doesn’t disprove them or show that they don’t exist.”

Fair enough.

“This patriotic apathy is what is fucking up your country, and causing the “serious problems””

It’s not patriotic apathy. I never said I loved the government, I said I loved the country, I love this place. Yes, the government pisses me off, just like it pisses off every other normal american, however, inciting rebellion and getting thousands of people killed is not the answer. Voting is, and unfortunatly, as long as we vote for politians, the government will be raping the people. Simple as that.

“Violence is the answer to everything isn’t it? The media is probably the most important tool anyone has of controlling the people and conveying or imposing your point of view on them. That’s why blogs CAN matter. Getting people upset is important too.”

If you had a brain you might realize I did not fight in the literal manner. No, violence is not always the answer, but sometimes it is the only response available to feeble minds. If you understood what I meant, you might see I mean go fight for your own hungry masses and let us tend to ours. You don’t fully understand the issues here just by reading biased stories on crappy web news outlets.

“And yet you still love your city and country dearly. Stop complaining then, why don’t you?”

Its not entirely the city’s fault for these budget cuts, its the taxpayers’ for not having enough interest to get out and vote on the issues that matter, such as public safety funding. I was making somewhat of a generalized statement.

“But deep down in my heart, I feel that I can stop it from happening again, by revealing these monsters. Getting them tried for war crimes et al.”

So do the protesters that scream and shout about conspiracies at the site of ground zero. You know what it earns them? Usually a severe bitching or a punch in the face by an offduty cop or firefighter. Not saying thats the correct course of action, but it happens. This topic is very sensitive to a lot of people, hence my very angry first reply. Go ahead though, it is your freedom to speak of whatever you want. So go ahead, have a nut.

“Telling me that I can’t do something, and not to bother is the most ignorant, apathetic statement you can muster, which fuels your government’s control over the sheep.”

Im not telling you not to do it, Im telling you it’s a waste of time. Hundreds of other people are doing it in New York at this very moment at the very place it happened 5 years ago. no one listens to them either.

“Stop complaining, about my complaining.”

No

“Oh, and FUCK OFF”

mmmmmm… No. I’ll stick around a bit longer to see how low you can really get, I see you are already losing your standards.

Comment by firefighter — 23 September, 2006 #
“I don’t hide behind anything. You cannot compare the two.”

Labelling yourself as one and then bringing it up every post isn’t exactly being subtle about.

“It’s not patriotic apathy. I never said I loved the government, I said I loved the country, I love this place.”

Patriotism is love for your country… The people have tried voting, twice in fact. It hasn’t worked has it? (either due to ignorance or due to the voting system)
Civil disobedience is the only way to effect change when nothing else works. The government have done more than enough to have the president impeached and others tried for war crimes. That is enough reason to incite rebellion. Not using violence, but using the outlet of speech, and diplomacy.
If you say you don’t love the government, then why are you so intent on defending their lack of involvement in the WTC attacks.

“You don’t fully understand the issues here just by reading biased stories on crappy web news outlets.”

Reading both sides of a biased story and then a neutral source lets you see the whole issue. Unfortunately there are very few of the latter available.

“Its not entirely the city’s fault for these budget cuts, its the taxpayers’ for not having enough interest to get out and vote on the issues that matter, such as public safety funding. I was making somewhat of a generalized statement.”

Then what is a city if not the people? There are different ways to run an economy, and public funding obviously isn’t a big policy in your government.

“So do the protesters that scream and shout about conspiracies at the site of ground zero.”

But they can only try and gain supporters, and from what I gather, they’ve done a fair job in the 5 years. If/when they become the majority, or at least a sufficiently large minority, then they can have more influence. Better than doing nothing…

““Stop complaining, about my complaining.”

No”

But you’re telling me it’s a waste of time to just sit here and write crap, but how is you commenting on the crap I write not a waste of time?

Comment by junaman — 23 September, 2006 #
I’ve tried for a while now to think of a good response, but I really can’t, so I guess I’ll take my bow now. I had some fun debating you, but I was beaten by my own logic. You are right. I was right.

This IS a waste of time.

I mean, me debating you that is. YOU should be the only voice on this blog, and anyone who disagrees may as well be an “evildoer” or “sheep” as you so eloquently put it. Oh wait, it’s Bush that calls people who disagree with him evildoers. My bad.

Have fun inciting the angry mobs of the downtrodden American proletariat. I know you will.

Comment by firefighter — 24 September, 2006 #
@firefighter,

Just in case you still take a peek at this page.

“Why don’t you stop wasting your time bitching about a place you will never understand, let alone ever give a chance to understand. I don’t even believe you could be capable of forming your own opinions of this country without having lived here.”

People from other countries consider American politics fair game because American politics affect them directly. The UK would not be mixed up in Iraq if the UK population had had anything to say about it–it was Bush’s influence with Blair that did it.

Also, (and I have lived in the US) Americans form opinions of other countries with far less information about them than what other countries get about the US (from mainstream news, TV shows, products, commercials, and yes, web outlets). How much does the average American know about Iraq? Enough to support “bombing them into a parking lot”. I think the average Iraqi knows quite a bit more (though also not enough) about the US.

If the US didn’t mess with the rest of the world so much, the rest of the world wouldn’t mess so much with it. If the US hadn’t taught Bin Laden how to organize and kill people, he probably wouldn’t have become the threat he is now. If the US hadn’t sold weapons to Saddam and supported his regime in the first place…etc.

THAT’s why US policy is under such a microscope, even when other countries do have problems of their own. Because the US has pissed off a group of people(whose means I am not justifying) by dropping bombs on their countries and playing politics with a region half a world away, I am now personally at greater risk of being blown up next time I step on a plane, no matter who or what I vote for in my home country.

I resent that. And so, I think, should you.

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